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Titleblock scale disclaimer
« on: March 25, 2015, 09:41:07 AM »
I'm trying to add a disclaimer note/scale to our titleblock to the degree of "if this scale does not measure exactly 1 inch, please modify graphic scale blah blah or something..."

Does anyone have something like this in their titleblock they would mind sharing for the sake of example?
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Re: Titleblock scale disclaimer
« Reply #1 on: March 25, 2015, 09:52:58 AM »
I'm trying to add a disclaimer note/scale to our titleblock to the degree of "if this scale does not measure exactly 1 inch, please modify graphic scale blah blah or something..."

Does anyone have something like this in their titleblock they would mind sharing for the sake of example?
I have seen such notes however; I often wonder WHY they are there, other than issues with reproductions and possible changes in scale (distortion)

One could use something like this.

This drawing is (SCALE) only when the graphic scale shown hereon is EXACTLY 1" from 0 to 100 (scale 1"=100')
If the graphic scale is found to NOT be EXACTLY 1" DO NOT SCALE FROM THE DRAWING.
Or everything you build will be wrong an it will not be our problem.
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Re: Titleblock scale disclaimer
« Reply #2 on: March 25, 2015, 10:00:39 AM »
Perhaps something like this?
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Re: Titleblock scale disclaimer
« Reply #3 on: March 25, 2015, 10:03:33 AM »
Perhaps something like this?
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Re: Titleblock scale disclaimer
« Reply #4 on: March 25, 2015, 10:19:46 AM »
We have this as part of the barscale block: "SCALE MUST MEASURE 1 INCH OR DRAWING IS NOT TO SCALE."

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Re: Titleblock scale disclaimer
« Reply #6 on: March 25, 2015, 10:28:18 AM »
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Re: Titleblock scale disclaimer
« Reply #7 on: March 25, 2015, 10:29:26 AM »
We have this as part of the barscale block: "SCALE MUST MEASURE 1 INCH OR DRAWING IS NOT TO SCALE."
You just put it as a chunk of text under the graphic scale?
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Re: Titleblock scale disclaimer
« Reply #8 on: March 25, 2015, 10:32:05 AM »
We have this as part of the barscale block: "SCALE MUST MEASURE 1 INCH OR DRAWING IS NOT TO SCALE."
You just put it as a chunk of text under the graphic scale?
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Re: Titleblock scale disclaimer
« Reply #9 on: March 25, 2015, 10:32:21 AM »
Perhaps something like this?
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Re: Titleblock scale disclaimer
« Reply #10 on: March 25, 2015, 10:34:56 AM »
One of our clients had a note to the effect that the drawing scale only applies to the CAD file and not any hard copies.
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Re: Titleblock scale disclaimer
« Reply #11 on: March 25, 2015, 10:38:06 AM »
Yes I saw that ... when casting stones (from whatever side of the pond you're on) at least take the time to make your point look somewhat presentable.
And this is the point where MJ has to have the final say no matter what so I'm ducking out ...


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Re: Titleblock scale disclaimer
« Reply #12 on: March 25, 2015, 10:39:18 AM »
What if that were a comma? Could be a bad scan! *shrug*
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Re: Titleblock scale disclaimer
« Reply #13 on: March 25, 2015, 10:46:36 AM »
One of our clients had a note to the effect that the drawing scale only applies to the CAD file and not any hard copies.
That would be sort of silly, as no one really 'scales' a cad file....do they?
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Re: Titleblock scale disclaimer
« Reply #14 on: March 25, 2015, 10:52:02 AM »
Yes I saw that ... when casting stones (from whatever side of the pond you're on) at least take the time to make your point look somewhat presentable.
And this is the point where MJ has to have the final say no matter what so I'm ducking out ...
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Re: Titleblock scale disclaimer
« Reply #15 on: March 25, 2015, 10:53:48 AM »
What if that were a comma? Could be a bad scan! *shrug*
Could be...and it would make the point about NOT scaling drawings even more relevant, wouldn't it?

Sweet irony there.....IF it were a comma.
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Re: Titleblock scale disclaimer
« Reply #16 on: March 25, 2015, 10:55:34 AM »
I don't think the note near the graphic scale is necessary. That is your reference no matter what scale it was printed at.

I've seen several versions of this:

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Re: Titleblock scale disclaimer
« Reply #17 on: March 25, 2015, 10:59:15 AM »
I'm trying to add a disclaimer note/scale to our titleblock to the degree of "if this scale does not measure exactly 1 inch, please modify graphic scale blah blah or something..."

Does anyone have something like this in their titleblock they would mind sharing for the sake of example?

Something like this?
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Re: Titleblock scale disclaimer
« Reply #18 on: March 25, 2015, 10:59:30 AM »
I don't think the note near the graphic scale is necessary. That is your reference no matter what scale it was printed at.

I've seen several versions of this:
That message is often meaningless, as the SHEET size MAY be exactly as noted, yet the image on that sheet might still be wrong and thus NOT TO SCALE.

I have also seen versions that want people to measure the area of the border; leading to possible errors as well, because now you are asking someone to
successfully measure greater than a typical single scale length without inducing errors.
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Re: Titleblock scale disclaimer
« Reply #19 on: March 25, 2015, 11:05:25 AM »
I thought that is why you added a the scale in text(1/8" = 1') and a barscale for?

So if you lay a scale ruler down and if they match then you can know its wrong and get an idea by what factor.

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Re: Titleblock scale disclaimer
« Reply #20 on: March 25, 2015, 11:08:37 AM »
if they match then you can know its wrong.

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Re: Titleblock scale disclaimer
« Reply #21 on: March 25, 2015, 11:09:51 AM »
if they match then you can know its wrong.

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Re: Titleblock scale disclaimer
« Reply #22 on: March 25, 2015, 11:10:38 AM »
How about:
Warning - If a given dimension does not scale properly the drawing is no to scale.
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« Reply #23 on: March 25, 2015, 11:11:27 AM »
if they match then you can know its wrong.

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« Reply #24 on: March 25, 2015, 11:42:11 AM »
if they match then you can know its wrong.

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I picked up what you were putting down Jeff.

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« Reply #25 on: March 25, 2015, 12:10:42 PM »
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Re: Titleblock scale disclaimer
« Reply #26 on: March 25, 2015, 01:01:22 PM »
I thought that is why you added a the scale in text(1/8" = 1') and a barscale for?

So if you lay a scale ruler down and if they match then you can know its wrong and get an idea by what factor.
That's how I've always felt, but I guess this is a catch-all cya.
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« Reply #27 on: March 25, 2015, 05:15:06 PM »
One of our clients had a note to the effect that the drawing scale only applies to the CAD file and not any hard copies.
That would be sort of silly, as no one really 'scales' a cad file....do they?

Hard for you to say, I guess, seeing as you've not seen the files.
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Re: Titleblock scale disclaimer
« Reply #28 on: March 26, 2015, 09:19:03 AM »
We have a convenient disclaimer:

"All dimensions must be checked on site and not scaled from this drawing."

Typically our plans are marked in our titleblock 1:100 @ A1, but seeing as you never know when a contractor has printed our drawing/pdf plot on his A3 plotter on site 'scaled to fit' it avoids being held responsible for the mistakes of others.
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Re: Titleblock scale disclaimer
« Reply #29 on: March 26, 2015, 09:36:19 AM »
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A. SCALES AS STATED ARE VALID ON THE ORIGINAL DRAWING ONLY. DO NOT SCALE FROM
THESE DRAWINGS. WRITTEN DIMENSIONS TAKE PRECEDENCE OVER GRAPHIC
PRESENTATION. DETAIL DIMENSIONS TAKE PRECEDENCE OVER PLAN DIMENSIONS.
B. NOTIFY ARCHITECT OF ANY DIMENSIONAL DISCREPANCIES. ANY MODIFICATIONS OR
DEVIATION TO BE BROUGHT TO THE ATTENTION OF THE ARCHITECT FOR REVIEW AND
APPROVAL.
C. ALL VERTICAL DIMENSIONS SHALL BE TAKEN FROM A "BENCH MARK" OR OTHER SIMILAR
GUIDE ESTABLISHED PRIOR TO THE START OF CONSTRUCTION. HIGH POINTS, LOW POINTS,
IRREGULARITIES IN FLOOR SLAB WHICH COULD AFFECT FABRICATION / INSTALLATION,
WORK OF OTHER TRADES OR VENDORS SHALL BE BROUGHT TO THE ATTENTION OF
ARCHITECT.
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Re: Titleblock scale disclaimer
« Reply #30 on: March 26, 2015, 09:49:40 AM »
One of our clients had a note to the effect that the drawing scale only applies to the CAD file and not any hard copies.
That would be sort of silly, as no one really 'scales' a cad file....do they?

Hard for you to say, I guess, seeing as you've not seen the files.

Believe it or not it was once suggested by someone, that we should scale ALL our cad files to reduce the file sizes on the server..... :idiot2:
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Re: Titleblock scale disclaimer
« Reply #31 on: March 26, 2015, 09:55:48 AM »
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A. SCALES AS STATED ARE VALID ON THE ORIGINAL DRAWING ONLY. DO NOT SCALE FROM
THESE DRAWINGS. WRITTEN DIMENSIONS TAKE PRECEDENCE OVER GRAPHIC
PRESENTATION. DETAIL DIMENSIONS TAKE PRECEDENCE OVER PLAN DIMENSIONS.
B. NOTIFY ARCHITECT OF ANY DIMENSIONAL DISCREPANCIES. ANY MODIFICATIONS OR
DEVIATION TO BE BROUGHT TO THE ATTENTION OF THE ARCHITECT FOR REVIEW AND
APPROVAL.
C. ALL VERTICAL DIMENSIONS SHALL BE TAKEN FROM A "BENCH MARK" OR OTHER SIMILAR
GUIDE ESTABLISHED PRIOR TO THE START OF CONSTRUCTION. HIGH POINTS, LOW POINTS,
IRREGULARITIES IN FLOOR SLAB WHICH COULD AFFECT FABRICATION / INSTALLATION,
WORK OF OTHER TRADES OR VENDORS SHALL BE BROUGHT TO THE ATTENTION OF
ARCHITECT.

however -- there are no 'original' drawings anymore.  the real original is the CAD file, bits 'n bytes'.  First generation prints from that electronic file direct to a hard copy are _all_ originals in the old sense of the term, but just copies of the digital original.  Prints from PDF or blackline copies of one of the hardcopy originals are second generation copies.
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Re: Titleblock scale disclaimer
« Reply #32 on: March 26, 2015, 10:57:56 AM »
One of our clients had a note to the effect that the drawing scale only applies to the CAD file and not any hard copies.
That would be sort of silly, as no one really 'scales' a cad file....do they?

Hard for you to say, I guess, seeing as you've not seen the files.
I pretty sure your being sarcastic because if you work around people I do, instead of changing a site plan INUNITS to feet they scale by 12, and it does not mater what it is detail, notes, a sheet completely done with notes, or detail drawn to size , ANYTHING, if they have to add 1 word or line everything gets exploded and viewport changed to 1/8" = 1'-0' and everything scaled.

I have had this conversation like 35 times.
DumbAss 1 to 10: Text height is 10"
Me: You mean at 1/8" = 1'-0' ?
DumbAss 1 to 10: Text height is 10" always
Me: So printed its 0.10416666666666666666666666666667" or ≈ 27/256"?
DumbAss 1 to 10: We set text height to 10"
Me: If you have a 11x17 paper and each letter is 10" high you would not get many letters to fit, and easier to define the height printed ....... ahh fu*k it.

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Re: Titleblock scale disclaimer
« Reply #33 on: March 26, 2015, 11:01:35 AM »
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Re: Titleblock scale disclaimer
« Reply #34 on: March 26, 2015, 07:03:47 PM »
One of our clients had a note to the effect that the drawing scale only applies to the CAD file and not any hard copies.
That would be sort of silly, as no one really 'scales' a cad file....do they?

Hard for you to say, I guess, seeing as you've not seen the files.
I pretty sure your being sarcastic because if you work around people I do, instead of changing a site plan INUNITS to feet they scale by 12, and it does not mater what it is detail, notes, a sheet completely done with notes, or detail drawn to size , ANYTHING, if they have to add 1 word or line everything gets exploded and viewport changed to 1/8" = 1'-0' and everything scaled.

I have had this conversation like 35 times.
DumbAss 1 to 10: Text height is 10"
Me: You mean at 1/8" = 1'-0' ?
DumbAss 1 to 10: Text height is 10" always
Me: So printed its 0.10416666666666666666666666666667" or ≈ 27/256"?
DumbAss 1 to 10: We set text height to 10"
Me: If you have a 11x17 paper and each letter is 10" high you would not get many letters to fit, and easier to define the height printed ....... ahh fu*k it.

Not really being sarcastic.  The intent of the note (it was a client border) is that any measuring should be done against the CAD file and no scaling should be done on hard copies.  Not to say that we haven't had clients who want CAD files in model space that print 1:1, so everything is scaled.  More to the point is we at least *try* to comply with what the client wants, even when its CAD-stupid - including disclaimers.
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Re: Titleblock scale disclaimer
« Reply #35 on: March 26, 2015, 08:28:42 PM »
Yall seem to forget that distortion could be in different directions. X might be 1" but the Y could be foobar...
Better have two scales in each direction.

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Re: Titleblock scale disclaimer
« Reply #36 on: March 27, 2015, 03:31:49 PM »
I once slapped a scale ruler out of an engineer's hand, telling him that we put the dimensions on the drawing for a reason.  If he needed to scale something, then he should tell me to add a dimension. 

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« Reply #37 on: March 27, 2015, 04:04:07 PM »
Yall seem to forget that distortion could be in different directions. X might be 1" but the Y could be foobar...
Better have two scales in each direction.
would this cover it?   :whistling:
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Re: Titleblock scale disclaimer
« Reply #38 on: March 27, 2015, 04:27:20 PM »
I think I'll just create a secondary cover sheet that's nothing but a long disclaimer and 10-15 graphic scales.
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Re: Titleblock scale disclaimer
« Reply #39 on: March 27, 2015, 06:33:36 PM »
I think I'll just create a secondary cover sheet that's nothing but a long disclaimer and 10-15 graphic scales.

Who needs a long disclaimer?  Just put "NO" in large block letters covering the entire sheet.  If they require clarification, in smaller text underneath "Just... no.".    :laugh:
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