Topic: Titleblock scale disclaimer

[mjfarrell]

One of our clients had a note to the effect that the drawing scale only applies to the CAD file and not any hard copies.

That would be sort of silly, as no one really 'scales' a cad file....do they?

Hard for you to say, I guess, seeing as you've not seen the files.

Believe it or not it was once suggested by someone, that we should scale ALL our cad files to reduce the file sizes on the server.....

[cadtag]

A. SCALES AS STATED ARE VALID ON THE ORIGINAL DRAWING ONLY. DO NOT SCALE FROM
THESE DRAWINGS. WRITTEN DIMENSIONS TAKE PRECEDENCE OVER GRAPHIC
PRESENTATION. DETAIL DIMENSIONS TAKE PRECEDENCE OVER PLAN DIMENSIONS.
B. NOTIFY ARCHITECT OF ANY DIMENSIONAL DISCREPANCIES. ANY MODIFICATIONS OR
DEVIATION TO BE BROUGHT TO THE ATTENTION OF THE ARCHITECT FOR REVIEW AND
APPROVAL.
C. ALL VERTICAL DIMENSIONS SHALL BE TAKEN FROM A "BENCH MARK" OR OTHER SIMILAR
GUIDE ESTABLISHED PRIOR TO THE START OF CONSTRUCTION. HIGH POINTS, LOW POINTS,
IRREGULARITIES IN FLOOR SLAB WHICH COULD AFFECT FABRICATION / INSTALLATION,
WORK OF OTHER TRADES OR VENDORS SHALL BE BROUGHT TO THE ATTENTION OF
ARCHITECT.

however -- there are no 'original' drawings anymore.  the real original is the CAD file, bits 'n bytes'.  First generation prints from that electronic file direct to a hard copy are _all_ originals in the old sense of the term, but just copies of the digital original.  Prints from PDF or blackline copies of one of the hardcopy originals are second generation copies.

[Jeff H]

One of our clients had a note to the effect that the drawing scale only applies to the CAD file and not any hard copies.

That would be sort of silly, as no one really 'scales' a cad file....do they?

Hard for you to say, I guess, seeing as you've not seen the files.

I pretty sure your being sarcastic because if you work around people I do, instead of changing a site plan INUNITS to feet they scale by 12, and it does not mater what it is detail, notes, a sheet completely done with notes, or detail drawn to size , ANYTHING, if they have to add 1 word or line everything gets exploded and viewport changed to 1/8" = 1'-0' and everything scaled.

I have had this conversation like 35 times.
DumbAss 1 to 10: Text height is 10"
Me: You mean at 1/8" = 1'-0' ?
DumbAss 1 to 10: Text height is 10" always
Me: So printed its 0.10416666666666666666666666666667" or ≈ 27/256"?
DumbAss 1 to 10: We set text height to 10"
Me: If you have a 11x17 paper and each letter is 10" high you would not get many letters to fit, and easier to define the height printed ....... ahh fu*k it.

[mjfarrell]

it appears you work with some autocad-stupid DIMASO individuals 

[dgorsman]

One of our clients had a note to the effect that the drawing scale only applies to the CAD file and not any hard copies.

That would be sort of silly, as no one really 'scales' a cad file....do they?

Hard for you to say, I guess, seeing as you've not seen the files.

I pretty sure your being sarcastic because if you work around people I do, instead of changing a site plan INUNITS to feet they scale by 12, and it does not mater what it is detail, notes, a sheet completely done with notes, or detail drawn to size , ANYTHING, if they have to add 1 word or line everything gets exploded and viewport changed to 1/8" = 1'-0' and everything scaled.

I have had this conversation like 35 times.
DumbAss 1 to 10: Text height is 10"
Me: You mean at 1/8" = 1'-0' ?
DumbAss 1 to 10: Text height is 10" always
Me: So printed its 0.10416666666666666666666666666667" or ≈ 27/256"?
DumbAss 1 to 10: We set text height to 10"
Me: If you have a 11x17 paper and each letter is 10" high you would not get many letters to fit, and easier to define the height printed ....... ahh fu*k it.

Not really being sarcastic.  The intent of the note (it was a client border) is that any measuring should be done against the CAD file and no scaling should be done on hard copies.  Not to say that we haven't had clients who want CAD files in model space that print 1:1, so everything is scaled.  More to the point is we at least *try* to comply with what the client wants, even when its CAD-stupid - including disclaimers.

[danallen]

Yall seem to forget that distortion could be in different directions. X might be 1" but the Y could be foobar...
Better have two scales in each direction.

[Cathy]

I once slapped a scale ruler out of an engineer's hand, telling him that we put the dimensions on the drawing for a reason.  If he needed to scale something, then he should tell me to add a dimension. 

[mjfarrell]

Yall seem to forget that distortion could be in different directions. X might be 1" but the Y could be foobar...
Better have two scales in each direction.

would this cover it?   

[alanjt]

I think I'll just create a secondary cover sheet that's nothing but a long disclaimer and 10-15 graphic scales.

[dgorsman]

I think I'll just create a secondary cover sheet that's nothing but a long disclaimer and 10-15 graphic scales.

Who needs a long disclaimer?  Just put "NO" in large block letters covering the entire sheet.  If they require clarification, in smaller text underneath "Just... no.".