gary,
i already have a toolbar from a previous job but the amount of them i need makes a toolbar not really ideal for my current needs. i'd just like to be able to add them as i go and not worry about bitmaps. i am also somewhat reluctant to go that route for the reason that we are about to upgrade to 2007 soon and i don't feel like relearning the old method only to upgrade in a week. i will take a look at your bitmaps though as i may want to go that route eventually. thanks