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AutoCAD for Mac ..... donalds
« on: August 31, 2010, 02:40:04 PM »
Yep, it's coming.
http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/pc/index?siteID=123112&id=15421056

Don't know why I posted this here.
Sure would be nice to know what they mean by "create applications".
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Re: AutoCAD for Mac ..... donalds
« Reply #1 on: August 31, 2010, 02:56:56 PM »
I replied to same question at the fourms
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If you go to au.autodesk (autodesk university)

 

Here is the class description for Hammer for the 2010 Session.

 

Class Description

It's time. Time to port your AutoCAD® ObjectARX® and LISP code to a new operating system—the Apple Mac and AutoCAD SledgeHammer. This unconference class will allow you to get fully involved in the topic and discuss your specific issues with our Mac experts. If you think the Apple Mac is the way forward, then this class is for you.


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Re: AutoCAD for Mac ..... donalds
« Reply #2 on: August 31, 2010, 03:32:12 PM »
< sigh >

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« Reply #3 on: August 31, 2010, 03:52:57 PM »
< sigh > ++

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« Reply #4 on: August 31, 2010, 04:16:59 PM »
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Translation:
There's no .NET, the Lisp may be broken, else it won't need porting, and coming up soon: a fascinating employment opportunity for ARXdevs.

Since nothing of that is of concern to a building services grunt: Bring it on! May it reduce the number of woefully incompatible DWG exports from Mac-based design software.

Oh noes, there goes my task to streamline those monstrosities. There's a wipeout for every other object; here we have hardcoded formats in each and every MText; spiderwebs made of anonymous blocks and solid hatches; font families no man has ever seen, except on the occasional printout handed in, etcetera.

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Re: AutoCAD for Mac ..... donalds
« Reply #5 on: August 31, 2010, 04:35:49 PM »
< sigh > ++
Translation:
There's no .NET, the Lisp may be broken, else it won't need porting, and coming up soon: a fascinating employment opportunity for ARXdevs.

Oh heck. As someone who doesn't want to write anymore code for Autocad, except for occasional fun and sport, this has me extremely interested. Will probably go ahead and buy Acad for the Mac and take advantage of the new contract programming opportunities it presents.
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Re: AutoCAD for Mac ..... donalds
« Reply #6 on: August 31, 2010, 04:37:43 PM »
People who will buy macs to use AutoCAD:

IT nerds and Architects...

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Re: AutoCAD for Mac ..... donalds
« Reply #7 on: August 31, 2010, 04:43:03 PM »
So if you are wanting to take advantage of .NET what languages are out there and what compiler would you use.

 

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Re: AutoCAD for Mac ..... donalds
« Reply #8 on: August 31, 2010, 04:58:00 PM »
So if you are wanting to take advantage of .NET what languages are out there and what compiler would you use.

I assume you're asking for OS X in combination with Acad? At this point there doesn't appear to be any options. If you are just looking to do some .Net on OS X then check out the Mono project http://www.mono-project.com/Main_Page.
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Re: AutoCAD for Mac ..... donalds
« Reply #9 on: September 01, 2010, 06:57:48 AM »
Macs...another minority group getting pandered to...< deep sigh >

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Re: AutoCAD for Mac ..... donalds
« Reply #10 on: September 01, 2010, 07:47:19 AM »
The only reason I could come up with this is - Some mac lover just got too high in the Autodesk food chain....

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Re: AutoCAD for Mac ..... donalds
« Reply #11 on: September 01, 2010, 08:49:03 AM »
The only reason I could come up with this is - Some mac lover just got too high in the Autodesk food chain....

It's pretty simple. The 8% and growing US Mac ownership is hard to ignore, and the 27% which own or plan to own iPad, well AD would be insane to not have a presence on that platform.

Back of the napkin here, but
100 developers at $200 hr (salary, benefits, etc.)
100 misc others involved in the port project @ $200 hr (salary, benefits, etc).
2 years development time @ 2080 hrs a year.
$2000 per seat AD pockets
200 * 200 * 4160 = $166,400,000 to develop and bring to market.
So about 83,000 seats need to be sold to break even. Can that number of seats be obtained in the first year? How about by the third year?

Anyway, it's about money and market trends. Autodesk is late getting back into the Mac market, but in the long run it won't hurt them at all. Not unless they lay an egg with this first release. Stay with Windows, switch to Mac, doesn't matter either way, Autodesk makes money.


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Re: AutoCAD for Mac ..... donalds
« Reply #12 on: September 01, 2010, 07:40:26 PM »
My hope is that Autodesk will come up with or better yet adopt a platform agnostic language that will work on either (any) platform. (F#, Ruby, Python, BOO etc)
My nightmare is that Autodesk will not decide which to support so they will make the claim that they will support them all. Sure to FAIL.

Imagine a simple, high level, robust language that would be easy to learn and use.
An API with a built-in IDE that you could work with from right inside AutoCAD.
You could knock out simple programs in hours or even minutes.

Hey! I just described VBA.
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Re: AutoCAD for Mac ..... donalds
« Reply #13 on: September 01, 2010, 07:52:29 PM »
Well, it certainly wouldn't be F# or any other sharp.  Python would probably be the easiest to implement . 

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Re: AutoCAD for Mac ..... donalds
« Reply #14 on: September 02, 2010, 09:27:34 AM »
People who will buy macs to use AutoCAD:

IT nerds and Architects...
HAHAHAHA That was way too funny
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« Reply #15 on: September 02, 2010, 11:26:51 AM »
Once upon a time, it was possible to write stuff on the Mac, and have it simply run on a PC.  That was back when EOF/WebObjects had a PC version.  But I got the impression that Microsoft was not very cooperative with Apple on the endeavor, and it was too difficult to make the cleaner Unix-based design work in the messy Windows environment.  The solution was too cohesive, and too susceptible to problems created by every little change to Windows, so Apple dropped it.

It might be easier these days, now that Microsoft is using the CLI as their paradigm.

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Re: AutoCAD for Mac ..... donalds
« Reply #16 on: September 05, 2010, 04:58:00 PM »
Back of the napkin here, but
100 developers at $200 hr (salary, benefits, etc.)
Oh dang, look what you've done, now there's ink all over the napkin. Here, let met get you a new one... :-)

On the fresh napkin you might want to take into consideration the economic (and often technical) disaster called outsourcing to low-wage (or slavery, depending on your perspective) countries. You're assuming Autodesk did their own porting and development. Adjusted numbers on the new napkin would likely be, oh, 50 to 75% less, on average.

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« Reply #17 on: September 06, 2010, 12:40:07 AM »
Back of the napkin here, but
100 developers at $200 hr (salary, benefits, etc.)
Oh dang, look what you've done, now there's ink all over the napkin. Here, let met get you a new one... :-)

On the fresh napkin you might want to take into consideration the economic (and often technical) disaster called outsourcing to low-wage (or slavery, depending on your perspective) countries. You're assuming Autodesk did their own porting and development. Adjusted numbers on the new napkin would likely be, oh, 50 to 75% less, on average.

The AU GoGo Dancers can use my napkin as pasties, who probably get paid more per hour than the outsourced developers.
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Re: AutoCAD for Mac ..... donalds
« Reply #18 on: September 06, 2010, 11:00:44 AM »
AU GoGo dancers...?

I didn't see any of those last year.  But of course, the entertainment for the final bash at last year's AU was karaoke...   :lol:

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Re: AutoCAD for Mac ..... donalds
« Reply #19 on: September 06, 2010, 04:03:58 PM »
. . .
On the fresh napkin you might want to take into consideration the economic (and often technical) disaster called outsourcing to low-wage (or slavery, depending on your perspective) countries. You're assuming Autodesk did their own porting and development. Adjusted numbers on the new napkin would likely be, oh, 50 to 75% less, on average.

Strong evidence of this is the CUI editor. From the beginning it was not of this world.
A thousand monkeys at a thousand computers for a thousand years couldn't come up with something that bad.
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« Reply #20 on: September 06, 2010, 04:18:45 PM »
Strong evidence of this is the CUI editor. From the beginning it was not of this world.
A thousand monkeys at a thousand computers for a thousand years couldn't come up with something that bad.
The GUI editor? And here I thought the API docs and their very specific 'use' of grammar were! :-)

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Re: AutoCAD for Mac ..... donalds
« Reply #21 on: September 07, 2010, 03:42:54 PM »
Strong evidence of this is the CUI editor. From the beginning it was not of this world.
A thousand monkeys at a thousand computers for a thousand years couldn't come up with something that bad.
The GUI editor? And here I thought the API docs and their very specific 'use' of grammar were! :-)

Not GUI, CUI as in Criminally Unusable Interface.
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Re: AutoCAD for Mac ..... donalds
« Reply #22 on: September 08, 2010, 11:54:37 AM »
It was "criminally unusable" for the first few releases, but I don't think it still qualifies for that moniker.  It's still got problems in 2011, but it's much better than it was.

There were always seeds of a good idea in there.  It's the implementation that blew it way off into bizarro world...   :-o

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Re: AutoCAD for Mac ..... donalds
« Reply #23 on: September 08, 2010, 01:03:19 PM »
This link is get to bottom of which is safer mac or windows if you trust Cnet

http://news.cnet.com/8301-27080_3-10444561-245.html

Some of the quotes come from college professors and I went to a couple of the college's website and the professors do work there if that helps.


Quote from one of the security experts
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Eric Johanson, security researcher: "If you look at the number of published vulnerabilities in software and the number of users and compare Windows versus Mac OS you will discover that Mac OS has far more published vulnerabilities per user than Windows does so I think the data pretty much speaks for itself."

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Re: AutoCAD for Mac ..... donalds
« Reply #24 on: September 08, 2010, 01:17:54 PM »
IMO most of the Mac and Windows users dont have a clue as to what they are doing or how to use a computer (read: should have their computers taken away from them) so those numbers dont mean squat to me.
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« Reply #25 on: September 08, 2010, 01:25:10 PM »
People who will buy macs to use AutoCAD:

IT nerds and Architects...

I thought nerds were good at computer stuff

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Re: AutoCAD for Mac ..... donalds
« Reply #26 on: September 08, 2010, 01:40:51 PM »
People who will buy macs to use AutoCAD:

IT nerds and Architects...

I thought nerds were good at computer stuff

Well, yes.  But they are not immune to "I am right.  I know I am right and you can't tell me different." once they get something in their head.  Maybe even more so, since they are used to being right or the sole source of information on a subject.
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« Reply #27 on: September 08, 2010, 01:51:35 PM »
People who will buy macs to use AutoCAD:

IT nerds and Architects...

I thought nerds were good at computer stuff

nah, Nerds just think they are good.

If an IT nerd bought a Mac to do IT stuff, i would have to slap them silly; BSD is so much better.
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Re: AutoCAD for Mac ..... donalds
« Reply #28 on: September 08, 2010, 01:57:51 PM »
Well, it would make the life of a desk jockey a little more interesting if they released an AutoCAD for the Wii.

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Re: AutoCAD for Mac ..... donalds
« Reply #29 on: September 08, 2010, 04:09:59 PM »
I've done NavisWorks presentations with a Logitech Air mouse... close enough?
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« Reply #30 on: September 08, 2010, 04:33:48 PM »
Quote from one of the security experts
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Eric Johanson, security researcher: "If you look at the number of published vulnerabilities in software and the number of users and compare Windows versus Mac OS you will discover that Mac OS has far more published vulnerabilities per user than Windows does so I think the data pretty much speaks for itself."

What makes them think "vulnerabilities per user" is a meaningful metric?   :?

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« Reply #31 on: September 08, 2010, 05:03:13 PM »
Quote from one of the security experts
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Eric Johanson, security researcher: "If you look at the number of published vulnerabilities in software and the number of users and compare Windows versus Mac OS you will discover that Mac OS has far more published vulnerabilities per user than Windows does so I think the data pretty much speaks for itself."

What makes them think "vulnerabilities per user" is a meaningful metric?   :?

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Re: AutoCAD for Mac ..... donalds
« Reply #32 on: September 08, 2010, 05:09:50 PM »
Well, it would make the life of a desk jockey a little more interesting if they released an AutoCAD for the Wii.

Don't forget to protect your system. Wear a wrist band.  :-)
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Re: AutoCAD for Mac ..... donalds
« Reply #33 on: September 14, 2010, 01:53:04 PM »
ADN released this video
DevTV: Introduction to migrating ObjectARX applications to the MacOS

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« Reply #34 on: September 22, 2010, 11:36:45 AM »
People who will buy macs to use AutoCAD:

IT nerds and Architects...
HAHAHAHA That was way too funny
heh!

Jokes on me. I've been transferred to IT - guess who my boss is? A Mac Lover.

I'm going to be tasked to write all my new stuff and migrate all the .net apps to ObjectARX to get ready for the Mac Version!

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« Reply #35 on: September 22, 2010, 06:17:04 PM »

I'm going to be tasked to write all my new stuff and migrate all the .net apps to ObjectARX to get ready for the Mac Version!


Let us know how it goes.  Hopefully, you don't end up spending a ton of time converting a bunch of .NET apps to ObjectARX, and then spend the time and effort to test them on both PC and Mac, only to have hardly anyone use Mac Autocad.

Some people seem to be excited by the Mac version, but for the majority of users, the basics haven't changed.  Namely, PC's are significantly cheaper than Mac's for the same performance, and that's a key factor in corporate buying decisions, especially when purchasing a lot of machines.

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« Reply #36 on: September 23, 2010, 08:24:22 AM »
People who will buy macs to use AutoCAD:

IT nerds and Architects...
HAHAHAHA That was way too funny
heh!

Jokes on me. I've been transferred to IT - guess who my boss is? A Mac Lover.

I'm going to be tasked to write all my new stuff and migrate all the .net apps to ObjectARX to get ready for the Mac Version!


What are you going to use for a GUI, wxWidgits?

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« Reply #37 on: September 27, 2010, 08:32:15 AM »
I don't have a clue yet, I've got to do some research. It's been a few years since I've done any C++ / ObjectARX and I wasn't very good then.

C++ / ObjectARX was my ultimate objective 10 years ago when I started writing vba code but then .Net came along.

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« Reply #38 on: September 27, 2010, 08:35:53 AM »
People who will buy macs to use AutoCAD:

IT nerds and Architects...
HAHAHAHA That was way too funny
heh!

Jokes on me. I've been transferred to IT - guess who my boss is? A Mac Lover.

I'm going to be tasked to write all my new stuff and migrate all the .net apps to ObjectARX to get ready for the Mac Version!


What are you going to use for a GUI, wxWidgits?
I'm open to suggestions!!

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Re: AutoCAD for Mac ..... donalds
« Reply #39 on: September 27, 2010, 10:07:31 AM »
I think you might be able to use mono for UI
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Re: AutoCAD for Mac ..... donalds
« Reply #40 on: October 15, 2010, 05:49:08 AM »
I'm open to suggestions!!

The problem with mono is that you can't do mixed mode modules, pretty useless for doing cad plug-ins.

I've been working with wxWidgits for the last few weeks and Its really nice. I bought a copy of DialogBlocks (www.dialogblocks.com) and I must say, this is a really slick program.  It generates all the .HPP  .CPP and XML resources files.

I hope you'll post some of your thoughts when you get into McArx.  :laugh:
 

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Re: AutoCAD for Mac ..... donalds
« Reply #41 on: October 15, 2010, 10:30:01 AM »
I will.
It's going to be slow going I'm afraid.

I'm just now boning up on my objectarx and c++ creating proto-types for mixed managed projects.

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« Reply #42 on: October 15, 2010, 12:43:36 PM »
There you go...Trial
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« Reply #43 on: October 17, 2010, 05:56:08 PM »

2011: What AutoCAD features are not available in AutoCAD for Mac
http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/ps/dl/item?siteID=123112&id=15833488&linkID=15839490


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