Topic: NEW NATIONAL CADD STANDARDS

[Dent Cermak]

http://www.nationalcadstandard.org/

[mjfarrell]

If this were truly about Standards one would not need to BUY the manual to implement the standard.

Further most do not use it as it stands.  Because the NCS documentation Should be included in any application that attempts to foster said standard, or be provided FREELY on the web as is the XML standards, or the SDTS.  Either STOP giving us files that use this standard or give us the documentation that fully explains that standard you are promoting.

[jnieman]

If this were truly about Standards one would not need to BUY the manual to implement the standard.

Further most do not use it as it stands.  Because the NCS documentation Should be included in any application that attempts to foster said standard, or be provided FREELY on the web as is the XML standards, or the SDTS.  Either STOP giving us files that use this standard or give us the documentation that fully explains that standard you are promoting.

We had to buy the NFPA, IBC, IRC, etc... cost of doing business.

Many jobs require you to furnish your own tools.  I bet no one here has to pay for their computer.

Many jobs have uniforms and you end up buying them.

[Keith™]

We had to buy the NFPA, IBC, IRC, etc... cost of doing business.

Sorry .. you have been duped ... did you know that it is unlawful for the government to charge you for access to the law, especially if you are supposed to follow it?

[jnieman]

We had to buy the NFPA, IBC, IRC, etc... cost of doing business.

Sorry .. you have been duped ... did you know that it is unlawful for the government to charge you for access to the law, especially if you are supposed to follow it?

So where'd you get yours?

[mjfarrell]

I have no issue with a guy needing to furnish his own Hammer, tool belt, etc.
However when some agency, committee is going to say here is the standard for using those tools that you should follow.
And then they do not actually provide FREE and ready access to the how and the why of that standard of how to use those tools, I have an issue with that.


Here let's try this in your office:

A new hire sits down and starts to perform CADD tasks.

You, approach the new hire and inquire, "Are you using Our Company Standard?"

The new guy says, ""ell, I'm just trying to sort of match the stuff that was already in this file, uh why?"

"Well you need to use our standard" is your reply

"How do I get this Standard?"

And then you tell him he has to pay you $50 before you will give him the standard. 

New Guy....

[jnieman]

Here let's try this in your office:

How is that different than
"Hey, are you wearing the company uniform?"
  "No, just figured I'd dress appropriately."
"well you have to wear the uniform... btw, $25/shirt"

?

[mjfarrell]

Here let's try this in your office:

How is that different than
"Hey, are you wearing the company uniform?"
  "No, just figured I'd dress appropriately."
"well you have to wear the uniform... btw, $25/shirt"

?

could be why I don't work in an office....

[Keith™]

We had to buy the NFPA, IBC, IRC, etc... cost of doing business.

Sorry .. you have been duped ... did you know that it is unlawful for the government to charge you for access to the law, especially if you are supposed to follow it?

So where'd you get yours?

Online

Here let's try this in your office:

How is that different than
"Hey, are you wearing the company uniform?"
  "No, just figured I'd dress appropriately."
"well you have to wear the uniform... btw, $25/shirt"

?

Me - Screw you jack .. I'm outta here

Actually I have worked numerous places where I had to wear a uniform, and not one of them has ever charged me for the priviledge of wearing them.
I did have one job where I paid $8 per week for uniforms, but it was for cleaning ... If I had taken them to the cleaners myself it would have cost $15 per week, so it was a bargain. If I didn't have them cleaned, I didn't have a bill ... how easy is that?

[mjfarrell]

Personally; I like a comany that subversively makes you wear the uniform.
Bunch of shirts, and caps, and flair for sale.  And most of the long term employees wear the logo.
So sheepishly you too buy a polo shirt here and there, and then they GIVE you one for
being there a year. then they give you a Mug, another shirt. Well the next thing you know YOU are wearing The Uniform Too!

I like that a lot better....

[jnieman]

I like uniforms because then I don't have to worry about what to wear to work... did I wear that shirt yesterday?  Does that shirt go with these pants?

Keith, god forbid you ever ended up as a mechanic, maintenance tech, machinist, or skilled laborer of any kind... I think you'd have a heart attack when you heard of the requirements most employers have on tools.

[mjfarrell]

...a mechanic, maintenance tech, machinist, or skilled laborer of any kind... I think you'd have a heart attack when you heard of the requirements most employers have on tools.

Yes, however without those tools, they could not effectively do their jobs.
Without the ncs, one can still produce drawings that meet yours, and the clients needs.

[jnieman]

...a mechanic, maintenance tech, machinist, or skilled laborer of any kind... I think you'd have a heart attack when you heard of the requirements most employers have on tools.

Yes, however without those tools, they could not effectively do their jobs.
Without the ncs, one can still produce drawings that meet yours, and the clients needs.

Depends on if the client is demanding that standard or not, now doesn't it?

[mjfarrell]

And they would be charged accordingly.   

[jnieman]

And they would be charged accordingly.   

That's absolutely correct!  But you would still pay for the standard even if the buck is passed.