Topic: AutoCAD Discussion Newsgroups go byebye

[JohnK]

Duke, Microsoft, Newsbin (down then "backup"), Autodesk ....all coincidence?

[It's Alive!]

Man I haven't used NNTP since Gopher and Eworld 

[Bob Wahr]

So, Mr Tanzillo decided that he didn't like 27 of the votes, one of them mine, and deleted them.  Gotta love it.

[JCTER]

So, Mr Tanzillo decided that he didn't like 27 of the votes, one of them mine, and deleted them.  Gotta love it.

I'm pretty sure mine happened about that time, as well.

[dgorsman]

So, Mr Tanzillo decided that he didn't like 27 of the votes, one of them mine, and deleted them.  Gotta love it.

At least we know about the number-twiddling now.  The "two to one" crowing was occuring before that particular fact surfaced.

[JohnK]

> biased vote
yep, and you expected anything else? *lol*

Whats behind all of this is the fact that NNTP is dying, along with bit-torrent. ISP's are either not indexing nntp servers (not getting headers) or sniffing packets for both nntp and bit-torrent (spying on you).

My home ISP is Comcast and they are not exactly hiding the fact that they sniff and or shape my packets...I'm afraid to download NetBSD or Linux OS' via bit-torrent because of all the crap that i think will hit the fan.

[Bob Wahr]

Even if he hadn't tampered with the votes, the problem with polls like that, as shown here with the ignore user mod poll, is that you end up with the people who are most offended by the idea being the main ones who vote, so the position of the oppressed always appears to be the majority.  Then it gets touted as "The users here are against it 2:1" with maybe 0.05% of the users actually voting to begin with.

[Chuck Gabriel]

Even if he hadn't tampered with the votes, the problem with polls like that, as shown here with the ignore user mod poll, is that you end up with the people who are most offended by the idea being the main ones who vote, so the position of the oppressed always appears to be the majority.  Then it gets touted as "The users here are against it 2:1" with maybe 0.05% of the users actually voting to begin with.

A vocal minority.  Happens in a lot of situations.  Whoever is making the most noise gets perceived as having the majority opinion.

[TimSpangler]

I surely wont miss it.  I haven't been over there in years.  After checking that thread I am quickly reminded why I left.  When I did frequent I did go through the NNTP side simply because it was much faster. 

There are many other great places to get the same information without all of the hassle.

[Mark]

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*shrug*

[rkmcswain]

I think the entire thing can be summed up by saying most long time newsgroup users started out on NNTP (when it was the only choice) and never moved to HTML since NNTP is generally ASCII based (faster), there is no login, no advertising, it's much quicker to switch from group to group, view unread messages, highlight your own messages, etc. etc.

Some of us will drop and others will migrate. In the end, I doubt any change will be noticed.

We all survived the change in plotting in 2000, the CUI in 2006 and most recently, the Ribbon. I'm sure we'll survive this also.

[JohnK]

why not start your own server?
http://aplawrence.com/Unixart/newsserver.html

[Mark]

anyone remember us talking about NNTP here? Or am I dreaming ....

[JohnK]

Mark, that was you and i talking --i.e. we never talked about it with everyone else.

[jmaeding]

I really do not care hwat protocal Autodesk supports, as long as there is a decent interface.
Offline stuff (like how Agent or thunderbird does things) is so stinking fast, I don't know how you can beat it.
Is there some way to download headers and bodies later, through some other means?
Of all the things that made AutoCad great, was the easy discussion group access.  Will they cut of LISP next?