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kindra

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Magically appearing lines
« on: February 21, 2007, 11:11:25 AM »
Okay, it's been about six months since I've worked in AutoCAD, and I'm really struggling now! I've got a drawing with 222 layers and no layer states (created by someone else, of course), and when I go to plot the drawing, I keep getting these two random lines that don't show up in model space or paper space, and I can't grab them with a fence or anything. What gives?
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Re: Magically appearing lines
« Reply #1 on: February 21, 2007, 11:23:40 AM »
Do they only show on plots?
Are you by chance using an HP plotter
Check to make sure the phantom line is not caused by an open polyline or mline with the open ends aligned
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Re: Magically appearing lines
« Reply #2 on: February 21, 2007, 11:32:37 AM »
In the past 6 months did you upgrade any software or change the display card? <wild guess>
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Re: Magically appearing lines
« Reply #3 on: February 21, 2007, 11:48:41 AM »
can you post the dwg so we can see it
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Re: Magically appearing lines
« Reply #4 on: February 21, 2007, 11:49:27 AM »
Also, if ou do post it, draw a big red ellipse around where the lines show up so we look in the right spot
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Re: Magically appearing lines
« Reply #5 on: February 21, 2007, 11:49:38 AM »
have you tried select all copy paste into a new drawing?
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Re: Magically appearing lines
« Reply #6 on: February 21, 2007, 12:03:29 PM »
Here they are - the lines keep appearing in the upper right quadrant.

Xerox plotter, no upgrades. Copy and paste would present some problems due to referencing.

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Re: Magically appearing lines
« Reply #7 on: February 21, 2007, 12:06:53 PM »
I know this may be a stupid question, but what colour is your layout background, and your model background? Is it possible the lines are almost the same colour as the background?
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Re: Magically appearing lines
« Reply #8 on: February 21, 2007, 12:10:37 PM »
They don't show up in (black) model space or (white) paper space! I'm racking my brain, but I don't believe I've ever come across this problem.
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Re: Magically appearing lines
« Reply #9 on: February 21, 2007, 12:12:28 PM »
can you post the dwg files?
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Re: Magically appearing lines
« Reply #10 on: February 21, 2007, 12:18:00 PM »
I seem to remember coming across something like that before.  I think I traced it back to some blank images that were in the drawing; kinda like the images that are used for wipeouts.  Try doing a QSELECT for all images.  If it shows that you have some (and you know that you aren't supposed to have any) then delete them and see if those lines show up again.
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Re: Magically appearing lines
« Reply #11 on: February 21, 2007, 12:22:45 PM »
The two sets of lines in the upper right corner are what appears to be leaders being re-orienting themselves before plotting .. perhaps they are not at the same elevation or are not in the same plane and are being moved by the plot command. I did notice there were 3 lines in the lower right corner that disappear in the plot though. Could they be the ones in the top right corner?
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Re: Magically appearing lines
« Reply #12 on: February 21, 2007, 12:25:08 PM »
Quote from: Keith™ on February 21, 2007, 12:22:45 PM
I did notice there were 3 lines in the lower right corner that disappear in the plot though. Could they be the ones in the top right corner?

[scurries back to download PDFs again]


I think he's on to something here!
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Re: Magically appearing lines
« Reply #13 on: February 21, 2007, 12:34:26 PM »
Okay, how do I fix them?
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Re: Magically appearing lines
« Reply #14 on: February 21, 2007, 12:41:38 PM »
Me thinks the lines in the bottom right are on a layer not set to plot...

When I have objects that I cannot select manually, using cntrl+a will generally grab them (and show the grips).

If its a wipe out or image, make sure tframes are on and imageframe is on.

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Re: Magically appearing lines
« Reply #15 on: February 21, 2007, 01:03:16 PM »
Or, try Inserting the drawing into a NEW file, and use Design Center (CTRL+2) to go drag all of the Layouts, and XREFS into the new file and test it. This should correct any corrupt drawing entities, and allow you to save the XREFS.  More information after you post the DWG file so that it can be examined directly.
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Re: Magically appearing lines
« Reply #16 on: February 21, 2007, 01:03:25 PM »
Quote from: kindra on February 21, 2007, 12:34:26 PM
Okay, how do I fix them?

Without knowing what is happening it is impossible to tell ... a DWG file would be more beneficial as we would be able to examine it in more depth.
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Re: Magically appearing lines
« Reply #17 on: February 21, 2007, 01:57:39 PM »
What is your PDMODE set to?  ALso PDsize
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kindra

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Re: Magically appearing lines
« Reply #18 on: February 21, 2007, 02:47:26 PM »
Ok, here it is with the two reference files
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Re: Magically appearing lines
« Reply #19 on: February 21, 2007, 02:59:40 PM »
I opened it with ABS and LDt (2007) and couldn't reproduce what you're experiencing.  :-(


Don't you just hate it when someone says 'It works for me!'?


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Re: Magically appearing lines
« Reply #20 on: February 21, 2007, 03:04:04 PM »
Quote from: Matt W on February 21, 2007, 02:59:40 PM
I opened it with ABS and LDt (2007) and couldn't reproduce what you're experiencing.  :-(


Don't you just hate it when someone says 'It works for me!'?


Same thing for me on Vanilla 07.

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Re: Magically appearing lines
« Reply #21 on: February 21, 2007, 03:10:25 PM »
I knew I should've passed on that 'The Beauty of Angels' chain letter :roll:
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Re: Magically appearing lines
« Reply #22 on: February 21, 2007, 03:13:04 PM »
Quote from: kindra on February 21, 2007, 03:10:25 PM
I knew I should've passed on that 'The Beauty of Angels' chain letter :roll:

 :lmao:  :lmao:  Thanks for the laugh Kindra, although I know this isn't making you very happy right now.

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Re: Magically appearing lines
« Reply #23 on: February 21, 2007, 03:21:24 PM »
Nothing here either.
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Re: Magically appearing lines
« Reply #24 on: February 21, 2007, 03:21:34 PM »
plotter driver perhaps ...
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Re: Magically appearing lines
« Reply #25 on: February 21, 2007, 03:29:45 PM »
Okay, my new plan is to ditch these lines in the reference file. Only problem is, they don't appear in the reference file anywhere, even after I turned on all fifty million layers. But in the 2-R file, they're listed as residing in the ref file.
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Re: Magically appearing lines
« Reply #26 on: February 21, 2007, 03:51:30 PM »
Nothing here either

Which xref and how did you track it to that one?
 I'm not seeing them at all, print preview, screen or PDF, nadda

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Could not having the 2 shx files be the reason no one else can reproduce the prob?
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Re: Magically appearing lines
« Reply #27 on: February 21, 2007, 03:57:37 PM »
Just for the heck of it, do an eTransmit and post the zip file - that way everyone will have the same stuff you have.
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Re: Magically appearing lines
« Reply #28 on: February 21, 2007, 04:08:05 PM »
Try freezing the reference layer "EX-RD-T" in your viewport, as well as turning it off and frozen.  There is a problem with leaders that are referenced not showing until a plot and those two leaders are on that layer.
« Last Edit: February 21, 2007, 04:09:19 PM by DinØsaur »
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Re: Magically appearing lines
« Reply #29 on: February 21, 2007, 04:16:05 PM »
This is a small project with a smaller budget, so I did a big no-no and bound the reference to the sheet, exploded the block and erased the lines. I can hear you cringing out there!
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Re: Magically appearing lines
« Reply #30 on: February 21, 2007, 04:17:37 PM »
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: Magically appearing lines
« Reply #31 on: February 21, 2007, 04:27:46 PM »
Quote from: DinØsaur on February 21, 2007, 04:08:05 PM
Try freezing the reference layer "EX-RD-T" in your viewport, as well as turning it off and frozen.  There is a problem with leaders that are referenced not showing until a plot and those two leaders are on that layer.

Oooookay, so how did you determine the layer?

Sorry to drag this on after the poster is happy, but I'm coming up on 6 hrs in the office and haven't done a bloody thing  :cry:

Plus I would like to know.
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Re: Magically appearing lines
« Reply #32 on: February 21, 2007, 05:08:32 PM »
Quote from: PHX cadie on February 21, 2007, 04:27:46 PM
Oooookay, so how did you determine the layer?

Great skill and cunning . . .



I have seen the same problem before with drawings that were referenced in to 2004 drawings - it gave us all kinds of fits when we forst started bringing in r 13 reference files into 2004.  You have to determine the layer in the referenced drawing that contains the leader and do everything possible to keep it from printing or the leaders will still plot out.  I found them by loading the reference file and making all layers on and thawed.  there were other entities including some leaders on that layer that were not apparently being a problem.  My guess is that the two offending leaders were created in an earlier version and either copied or blocked into the file.
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Re: Magically appearing lines
« Reply #33 on: February 21, 2007, 06:10:38 PM »
That's just it - I couldn't determine the layer to just shut the stupid thing off! There are over 200 layers in the reference file alone, each in varying states of on/off, plot/no plot, frozen/thawed. And the layers had names like 482736oshgjvke-ex. WAY too many to start fiddling around with some trial and error. I've been having other problems with this drawing as well - regen taking forever, ACAD freezing up like crazy, etc. The set's going to QA/QC tomorrow and I needed it done.

And BTW, Matt, I did feel a certain savage pleasure in openly defying a Cardinal Sin of AutoCAD....

so hah!

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Re: Magically appearing lines
« Reply #34 on: February 21, 2007, 06:37:59 PM »
We didn't have that luxury . . . ours were still active design files that had to remain in the old format for the design software and also be able to update changes into the new projects.  Luckily, they were our own drawings so the layer names were familiar.  This ceased being a problem when we moved up to 2005, but I don't know if there was ever a service pack for 2004 that covered it.
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Re: Magically appearing lines
« Reply #35 on: February 22, 2007, 08:46:45 AM »
Quote from: kindra on February 21, 2007, 06:10:38 PM
And BTW, Matt, I did feel a certain savage pleasure in openly defying a Cardinal Sin of AutoCAD....

so hah!

When all else fails... BIND and EXPLODE!

There's nothing wrong with that, as long as you don't make a habit out of it.
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