Hehe, what's frustrating is that even after more than a decade of work with AutoCAD, dating back to R14, I still get stuffed on little issues like this. And it's not like I have the time anymore to go back to evening classes after work to redo my cad qualifications with a newer version of the software. Unlike most of my colleagues, I actually studied the nuts and bolts of AutoCAD with city & guilds courses in 2d design, wireframe and 3d solids.... Unfortunately none of the online tutorials covering newer aspects of the more recent releases come close to the level of detail and understanding in my CAD courses back in the day; They show you how to do things, but lack commandline function and detailed properties explanation of all of these new features.