Author Topic: Remove XDRX  (Read 2409 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

kdub_nz

  • Mesozoic keyThumper
  • SuperMod
  • Water Moccasin
  • Posts: 2135
  • class keyThumper<T>:ILazy<T>
Remove XDRX
« on: January 10, 2024, 05:29:56 PM »
@xdcad,

Do you have a routine to completely remove/uninstall XDRX from association with an AutoCAD version.
ie: remove all references in the AutoCAD folders and AutoCAD registry and AutoCAD configuration etc.

I believe it is professional to provide this functionality.

I'm not sure if the unins000.exe provides this functionality.

Regards,
Called Kerry in my other life
Retired; but they dragged me back in !

I live at UTC + 13.00

---
some people complain about loading the dishwasher.
Sometimes the question is more important than the answer.

xdcad

  • Bull Frog
  • Posts: 484
Re: Remove XDRX
« Reply #1 on: January 10, 2024, 06:12:19 PM »
@xdcad,

Do you have a routine to completely remove/uninstall XDRX from association with an AutoCAD version.
ie: remove all references in the AutoCAD folders and AutoCAD registry and AutoCAD configuration etc.

I believe it is professional to provide this functionality.

I'm not sure if the unins000.exe provides this functionality.

Regards,

The installation program uses inno setup, which can be downloaded online. He left the installation process to it and did nothing. it created a directory, added the path ARX to the registry under the auto-start key of CAD, and then created an XDSOFT Keys, that's all.

I havenít tested it yet. You can try unins000.exe. These are the undelete information automatically created by the installation program INNO SETUP.
You can also use third-party security software to monitor installation and uninstallation
The code I wrote uses XDRX-API,which can be downloaded from github.com and is updated at any time.
===================================
[XDrx-Sub Forum]
https://www.theswamp.org/index.php?board=78.0
https://github.com/xdcad/XDrx-API
http://bbs.xdcad.net

kdub_nz

  • Mesozoic keyThumper
  • SuperMod
  • Water Moccasin
  • Posts: 2135
  • class keyThumper<T>:ILazy<T>
Re: Remove XDRX
« Reply #2 on: January 10, 2024, 06:31:21 PM »
I don't believe that is good enough.

You are responsible for making changes to the AutoCAD environment/configuration etc, so you should take responsibility of restoring what is changed.

Without doing this, your package will never be accepted as professional. no matter how good it is.

Regards,
Called Kerry in my other life
Retired; but they dragged me back in !

I live at UTC + 13.00

---
some people complain about loading the dishwasher.
Sometimes the question is more important than the answer.

pkohut

  • Bull Frog
  • Posts: 483
Re: Remove XDRX
« Reply #3 on: January 10, 2024, 07:03:07 PM »
To be honest, I was hoping for XDRX to be removed from the swamp forums completely.   
New tread (not retired) - public repo at https://github.com/pkohut

Hugo

  • Bull Frog
  • Posts: 430
Re: Remove XDRX
« Reply #4 on: January 11, 2024, 12:36:42 AM »
To be honest, I was hoping for XDRX to be removed from the swamp forums completely.   

And why should that be deleted?

pkohut

  • Bull Frog
  • Posts: 483
Re: Remove XDRX
« Reply #5 on: January 11, 2024, 01:42:21 AM »
New tread (not retired) - public repo at https://github.com/pkohut

domenicomaria

  • Swamp Rat
  • Posts: 724
Re: Remove XDRX
« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2024, 02:59:11 AM »
To be honest, I was hoping for XDRX to be removed from the swamp forums completely.   

XDRX-API is a revolution and will profoundly change the world of medium-high quality software development in the world of AUTOCAD, BRICSCAD, ZWCAD, GSTARCAD and others...

... why not be happy about that?  ...

there will be things to define, to clarify,
but nevertheless it is
a great and good revolution ...

for this reason I sincerely wish XDCAD
to continue this work he has undertaken
and to implement it as much as possible ...

and I thank him for what he is doing ...

domenicomaria

  • Swamp Rat
  • Posts: 724
Re: Remove XDRX
« Reply #7 on: January 11, 2024, 03:06:56 AM »
and it would be very interesting to KNOW the OPINIONS of the LISP GURUS who frequent this website...

kdub_nz

  • Mesozoic keyThumper
  • SuperMod
  • Water Moccasin
  • Posts: 2135
  • class keyThumper<T>:ILazy<T>
Re: Remove XDRX
« Reply #8 on: January 11, 2024, 04:25:14 AM »
@domenicomaria,
I've been here 20+ years, but don't think I qualify as guru, but anyway . . .

If I was still programming Lisp regularly I wouldn't use xdrx at this point in time.
My decision is based on a requirement for long term support, transparency, continuity and confidence in the product either through documentation or open source code. It just wouldn't be fair to my clients to use the product

Very few lispers use the built in Visual Lisp and ActiveX Functions to anywhere near capacity, in fact, most seemingly hardly read the documentation. What is the situation going to be like when the documentation needs to be interpreted from samples without technical descriptions.

The return on investment in studying lisp would probably increase productivity exponentially and safely.
. . . as would participating in peer support instead of just taking code produced by others.
As well as producing better code we would become more employable through expertise using the tools provided with the base product.

Some people are sure to not agree with me. . . . but you did ask.


added:
From the Github site:
Quote
Autolisp development library written in ObjectARX

The API of this project is only for personal study and research. Please do not use it for commercial purposes. I will not be responsible for any previous consequences caused by this.
« Last Edit: January 11, 2024, 04:38:36 AM by kdub_nz »
Called Kerry in my other life
Retired; but they dragged me back in !

I live at UTC + 13.00

---
some people complain about loading the dishwasher.
Sometimes the question is more important than the answer.

domenicomaria

  • Swamp Rat
  • Posts: 724
Re: Remove XDRX
« Reply #9 on: January 11, 2024, 04:47:48 AM »
@kdub_nz

I hope that things like XDRX-API or OPENDCL
will be INTEGRATED
into the MAIN SOFTWARE (ACAD, BCAD, ZWCAD, GSTARCAD ...)
(as happened with VITAL LISP ... do you remember?) ...

This would be the best thing for everyone,
including those who have invested their time in producing this software
(because would they have to SELL their code to the various software houses)
...

domenicomaria

  • Swamp Rat
  • Posts: 724
Re: Remove XDRX
« Reply #10 on: January 11, 2024, 04:51:10 AM »
Quote
Autolisp development library written in ObjectARX

The API of this project is only for personal study and research.
only for personal study and research

but only for the moment, i believe ...


kdub_nz

  • Mesozoic keyThumper
  • SuperMod
  • Water Moccasin
  • Posts: 2135
  • class keyThumper<T>:ILazy<T>
Re: Remove XDRX
« Reply #11 on: January 11, 2024, 04:57:57 AM »
Yes, I remember Vital Lisp. I bought a license. AutoDesk purchased it and haven't improved it since release 14.

OpenDCL is open Source I don't see that they would integrate it . . . they like to own stuff.
I believe Owen has OpenDCL ported to the products you mentioned.
I was using the product by license when Chad was developing it as a sole trader.
I thing you will find some familiar names as contributors in the docs.

I don't know where you got the idea/expectation about integration ; perhaps wishfull thinking. ?

Regards,
Called Kerry in my other life
Retired; but they dragged me back in !

I live at UTC + 13.00

---
some people complain about loading the dishwasher.
Sometimes the question is more important than the answer.

domenicomaria

  • Swamp Rat
  • Posts: 724
Re: Remove XDRX
« Reply #12 on: January 11, 2024, 05:25:41 AM »
Quote
I don't know where you got the idea/expectation about integration ; perhaps wishfull thinking. ?

I think this should be the best and natural evolution of the situation...

...it would be interesting to know what XDCAD's future plans are...

PKENEWELL

  • Bull Frog
  • Posts: 318
Re: Remove XDRX
« Reply #13 on: January 11, 2024, 10:24:32 AM »
Personally I agree with kdub. I wouldn't use XDRX because it makes me dependant on a third party developer that wont share source code. It's one thing if it is open source, but I have been burned before because the developer decided that they didn't want to give it away for free anymore, or they just decide it is not worth their time anymore to maintain.

If you think Autodesk will integrate it into the Visual LISP API, you are kidding yourself. Ask Owen Weingard or Robert McNeel. Luckily, they have been kind enough to keep maintaining their add ons to the API for more than 20 years - hoping someday Autodesk would add all the functionality into the Visual LISP API. Nope! Autodesk would rather you move to ARX/.Net than expand on Visual LISP, which has not been expanded in functionality since they integrated it over 20 years ago.
"When you are asked if you can do a job, tell 'em, 'Certainly I can!' Then get busy and find out how to do it." - Theodore Roosevelt

domenicomaria

  • Swamp Rat
  • Posts: 724
Re: Remove XDRX
« Reply #14 on: January 11, 2024, 10:58:44 AM »
All the things you say have a logical sense.

I DO NOT BELIEVE Autodesk will buy XDRX
but I HOPE that something good happens...

1 - Autodesk will purchase XDRX as it did VITAL LISP ?
2 - XDRX will become open source like DosLib and OpenDCL ?
3 - BricsCAD (which has a much faster Lisp and with many more functions than ACAD)
could decide to collaborate with XDCAD ?...

And other things...

Because XDRX is the only way to give Lisp (Vlisp) a new life
and there are many people who would be very happy about this...

So I DON'T BELIEVE, but I HOPE...
And many times, things happen that we don't expect...

I collaborated a lot with Chad Wanless on ObjectDCL (now OpenDCL)
and it was going to be paid software ...
or Chad was hoping to sell it to Autodesk
... and he went to Autodek university,
in Las Vegas (I think) and presented the software
( who still had many problems ... but no one knew this)
and it seemed that it was very much appreciated in that environment
... he called me to tell me that it had been a success,
but then things went differently
...
and OpenDCL is open source...

And would you have ever imagined that
Autodesk would buy VITAL LISP?

So I hope . . .