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Electrical Annotation Symbols
« on: May 12, 2017, 08:12:30 AM »
I'm wondering what people are doing with their Electrical annotation symbols, especially wall mounted devices. Revit OOTB content with the embedded families, sucks. One of my pet peeves is text not oriented to the sheet, or at least orthogonaly to it. It would be easy enough to do if all walls were incremental 90 degree angles on the sheet. I could even deal with 45s and 30s. It's either beyond my family making capabilities or perhaps not even possible to account for all the possible angles with an embedded annotation family.

What are people doing with these symbols?
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Re: Electrical Annotation Symbols
« Reply #1 on: May 12, 2017, 10:22:13 AM »
Almost everything in electrical is a symbol. You have devices that can be on the floor, wall, or ceiling. Sometimes you need to show the annotation offset from the model because they are stacked.

For text part of the symbols had to have two copies of text rotated with visible property that you could toggle. I will dig some up and post it if needed.

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Re: Electrical Annotation Symbols
« Reply #2 on: May 12, 2017, 10:28:12 AM »
Are your symbols embedded or are you doing that in a tag family?
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Re: Electrical Annotation Symbols
« Reply #3 on: May 12, 2017, 10:40:22 AM »
If embedded = nested then yes.

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Re: Electrical Annotation Symbols
« Reply #4 on: May 12, 2017, 10:48:38 AM »
Yeah, that's what I meant.

Do you have something wall mounted with a rectangle and text for the symbol? How do you account for all the possible mounting angles and offsets for stacked devices?
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Re: Electrical Annotation Symbols
« Reply #5 on: May 12, 2017, 11:12:50 AM »
Here is an example of offsetting it is a nested annotation family nested inside another family with reference lines to offset the symbol.
For text I think I could do was keep it "readable". Where text goes left to right or down to up.

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Re: Electrical Annotation Symbols
« Reply #6 on: May 12, 2017, 11:21:48 AM »
That's a floor receptacle.

Receptacles and other symbols that have geometric symbols are not an issue.

I'm struggling with things like a wall mounted security keypad that would be a rectangle with two letters inside of it.
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Re: Electrical Annotation Symbols
« Reply #7 on: May 12, 2017, 11:47:50 AM »
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Re: Electrical Annotation Symbols
« Reply #8 on: May 12, 2017, 12:02:15 PM »
Again, I don't have a problem with geometric symbols like receptacles. Tagging those has already been discussed and accepted.

Think of a rectangle with two or more letters in it. That represents a device on a wall.
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Re: Electrical Annotation Symbols
« Reply #9 on: May 12, 2017, 01:58:55 PM »
Okay, so I was way over-complicating this because the OOTB families are so poorly done.

For the most part I can live the results if the annotation is set to "Keep Readable".

What to with stacked devices in congested areas will be another topic for another time.
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Re: Electrical Annotation Symbols
« Reply #10 on: May 15, 2017, 09:36:15 AM »
What to with stacked devices in congested areas will be another topic for another time.

We added two reference planes to our families dimensioned them at 1000mm apart and locked that dimension. We then dimensioned the left-hand plane with a shared parameter called annotation distance, dimensioned it at 1000mm from the origin, we then aligned our Generic symbol for our outlet to the right-hand reference plane and locked it to that plane, and then aligned that plane to the origin plane.
So when we use our family if we have stacked outlets, we can move the generic annotation symbol either right or left, but leave the family in place.

See attached, its a 2016 family
Revit BDS 2017, 2016, 2015, 2014, AutoCAD 2017, 2016, Navisworks 2017, 2016, BIM360 Glue

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Re: Electrical Annotation Symbols
« Reply #11 on: May 15, 2017, 09:58:46 AM »
Thanks. Good info and will be using something like that.
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Re: Electrical Annotation Symbols
« Reply #12 on: May 18, 2021, 02:26:05 AM »
Hello hudster

I'm new to Revit, can you make a video there?
Thanks Heinz

Hallo
Ich bin neu in Revit, könnest du da auch ein Video erstellen bekommen das nicht hin.
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Re: Electrical Annotation Symbols
« Reply #13 on: May 21, 2021, 01:30:37 AM »
OK then not
Truthfully, I try to stop asking questions here.

thanks      :cry2:


ok dann nicht
ein Versuch wahrs es mir wehrt hier zu Fragen.

Danke