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BlackBox

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Time For A New SSD?
« on: February 07, 2017, 01:13:49 pm »
Curious to know if anyone is using a Samsung SSD 960 PRO NVMe M.2 (or EVO) in their workstation(s), and their assessment thereafter as compared to standard SSD?


Prices have come down enough (since the last time I looked a while back), that these PCIe SSDs are not much more than the standard 2.5" SSDs - in fact, full retail, the 960 EVO is the same price as the 850 PRO - and with the huge gain in performance (even from 960 EVO-850 PRO), it seems like it might be time to upgrade everyone's workstations.

The prospect of +/- tripling our productivity - in terms of repeated non-human performed tasks, such as demand loading XREFs with copy (XLOADCTL), etc. as one example - for the same price as a replacement drive, seems like a good deal.


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ronjonp

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Re: Time For A New SSD?
« Reply #1 on: February 07, 2017, 01:23:05 pm »
I don't have the 960 but I do have the 950 Pro here at work and love it .. it's noticeably faster than SATA.
IMO, if your MOBO has an m.2 slot and you're looking for a new SSD it's a no brainer :) .
That being said, I also have the 960 EVO in my home computer and it's very comparable to the 950 Pro at a lower price.

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Re: Time For A New SSD?
« Reply #2 on: February 07, 2017, 02:01:01 pm »
Thanks, RJP! :-)

I do not have any M.2 slots, but I do have PCIe 3.0 x4 (or greater) slots available... Which as I understand it, will do just fine, no?



Strange (to me) that the 950 Pro is more expensive than the 960 Pro?
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ronjonp

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Re: Time For A New SSD?
« Reply #3 on: February 07, 2017, 03:08:48 pm »
Thanks, RJP! :)

I do not have any M.2 slots, but I do have PCIe 3.0 x4 (or greater) slots available... Which as I understand it, will do just fine, no?



Strange (to me) that the 950 Pro is more expensive than the 960 Pro?
Should do fine with an adapter :)

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Re: Time For A New SSD?
« Reply #4 on: February 07, 2017, 03:27:07 pm »
Should do fine with an adapter :)

Certainly :-); strange that Samsung doesn't sell one? :?
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ronjonp

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Re: Time For A New SSD?
« Reply #5 on: February 07, 2017, 03:43:50 pm »
Should do fine with an adapter :)

Certainly :) ; strange that Samsung doesn't sell one? :?
A buddy of mine bought one for $20 or so off of Amazon I think .. seemed to do the job as advertised.

FWIW CrystalDiskMark Benches:

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960 EVO
Sequential Read (Q= 32,T= 1) :  3221.955 MB/s
Sequential Write (Q= 32,T= 1) :  1431.049 MB/s
Random Read 4KiB (Q= 32,T= 1) :   795.559 MB/s [194228.3 IOPS]
Random Write 4KiB (Q= 32,T= 1) :   680.716 MB/s [166190.4 IOPS]
Sequential Read (T= 1) :  2041.796 MB/s
Sequential Write (T= 1) :  1396.916 MB/s
Random Read 4KiB (Q= 1,T= 1) :    50.204 MB/s [ 12256.8 IOPS]
Random Write 4KiB (Q= 1,T= 1) :   257.490 MB/s [ 62863.8 IOPS]


950 PRO
Sequential Read (Q= 32,T= 1) :  2182.677 MB/s
Sequential Write (Q= 32,T= 1) :  1524.736 MB/s
Random Read 4KiB (Q= 32,T= 1) :   674.940 MB/s [164780.3 IOPS]
Random Write 4KiB (Q= 32,T= 1) :   406.204 MB/s [ 99170.9 IOPS]
Sequential Read (T= 1) :  1834.798 MB/s
Sequential Write (T= 1) :   970.175 MB/s
Random Read 4KiB (Q= 1,T= 1) :    55.904 MB/s [ 13648.4 IOPS]
Random Write 4KiB (Q= 1,T= 1) :   180.510 MB/s [ 44069.8 IOPS]


 
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Re: Time For A New SSD?
« Reply #6 on: February 23, 2017, 08:13:50 pm »
So I got the 960 EVO + PCIe adapter, and it works OOTB as an additional drive to the OS installed on my existing C: drive.

It's fast - my 850 Pro SSD is +/-480 MB/s, the 960 EVO is +/-3,260 MB/s - for only $130 (250 GB), it really is a no brainer.



My difficulty now, is switching from Legacy to UEFI.  Learned the hard way, that Samsung's impressive Data Migration software doesn't account for that. Haha

Used UNetbootin to quickly make a new bootable Win10x64 Enterprise USB drive:

https://unetbootin.github.io/

A restart (and one-time boot options) suddenly shows EFI drive, even before swapping BIOS over to UEFI. Go into BIOS setup, swap to UEFI, restart, boot to USB, and install Win10 on the NVMe drive - from Win setup start to complete initial install (to first restart) only took +/-4 mins.

Windows boot manager now shows up... and that's where it stops.

Nothing I did seemed to allow me to actually boot to the PCIe drive; only to the USB drive repeatedly, which is frustrating.  Searching online seems like this is a pretty common issue, and while there are some that claim to have overcome it, none of their steps actually work for me.

Dell Precision T3600, Xeon Hex-Core E5


Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
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Re: Time For A New SSD?
« Reply #7 on: March 01, 2017, 05:09:56 pm »
Finally made some time to revisit this today.

I shutdown, disconnected all SATA drives, moved the NVMe from PCIe x16 slot (as x16) to PCIe x16 slot (as x4), restarted, went into BIOS, reset to factory defaults, restarted, went into BIOS, changed Legacy to UEFI, apply, restarted, booted to USB as noted above, and performed OS setup in +/- 4 mins.

After it prompted me to restart, I did so, went into one-time boot options to make sure that 'Windows boot manager' showed up (it did now), and booted to that.

Screen goes black, stays black for a long while, hit ESC to see what would happen, and entered a UNetbootin  'Automatic boot in 10 seconds' countdown loop.

Googled that and found a thread that describes this as being a UNetbootin issue - something I only used at Samsung's direction (from their firmware update doc), mind you. 

As a result, I'm bypassing UNetbootin altogether, and currently redoing the bootable USB using Rufus... Will attempt that as soon as I can, otherwise I'll go old-school DISKPART procedure which has never failed me (just takes a while, by comparison). Haha
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Re: Time For A New SSD?
« Reply #8 on: March 04, 2017, 02:25:30 am »
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