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cadtag

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duplicate a profile
« on: May 05, 2016, 08:15:53 AM »
I've got a job that's co,oimg back to life after a half year hiatus, and naturally, the  client now has substantial changes.  It started out with a U-shaped loop road, with a couple of east-west connector at the top of the U exiting to side streets, a south exit, and a north-south road connecting the bottom of the U to the northernmost connector.

Now, the client wants to break the bottom of the U, add a central east-west connection the turns into the east portion of the U, and trim the N-S connector.  And of course, retain all the previous information for 'future' work.

Horizontal is straightforward -- I copied the alignments to new names, reset the stationing, and turned the two (loop & N-S) into three, West loop to south exit, New east-west road that turns into the East end of the U loop, and shortened the N-S connector.

My problem is how to get the old design profile with vertical curves etc, into the new alignments for those portions where the alignments are congruent with their ancestors.  Superimposing did not retain the vertical curve data, and while it looks close, is not exact.

What's a better way?


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mjfarrell

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Re: duplicate a profile
« Reply #1 on: May 05, 2016, 08:49:45 AM »
export that profile data as txt


them import that txt to draw the new profile in that new profile view....you'll love it!
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Re: duplicate a profile
« Reply #2 on: May 05, 2016, 10:38:47 AM »
export that profile data as txt


them import that txt to draw the new profile in that new profile view....you'll love it!

ha...never thought about doing it that way. Nice

cadtag

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Re: duplicate a profile
« Reply #3 on: May 05, 2016, 10:45:01 AM »
?  sounds reasonable, except  (civil3d 2014) I'm not seeing a export to a text file...  Is that a 2014 option, or am I not looking in the right spot?
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Re: duplicate a profile
« Reply #4 on: May 05, 2016, 10:54:37 AM »
?  sounds reasonable, except  (civil3d 2014) I'm not seeing a export to a text file...  Is that a 2014 option, or am I not looking in the right spot?
Check TOOLBOX >> Profile >> PVI Station and Curve report

also look at format required for the Profile tool create profile from text file.

I think one needs comma at end of each line of data...
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cadtag

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Re: duplicate a profile
« Reply #5 on: May 05, 2016, 01:14:41 PM »
Thanks, that looks like a good approach to handling it, especially if I renumber the alignment staioning & edit the stations with the new values.
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Re: duplicate a profile
« Reply #6 on: May 05, 2016, 01:25:15 PM »
Thanks, that looks like a good approach to handling it, especially if I renumber the alignment staioning & edit the stations with the new values.
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Re: duplicate a profile
« Reply #7 on: May 05, 2016, 03:01:31 PM »
I'm not sure what's happening, but I'm setting txt format for the report output, and for PVI's getting station, grade, and curve length, but no elevation?

<quote>PVI   Station   Grade Out   Curve Length   
0   23+50.00   7.55%      
1   23+87.48   2.00%      
2   24+00.55   -24.91%      
3   24+02.55   1.68%      
4   24+14.57   1.68%      
5   24+60.51   -1.48%   50.059'   
</quote>

where I expect to see
 0   23+50  201.92

etc
etc
etc

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mjfarrell

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Re: duplicate a profile
« Reply #8 on: May 05, 2016, 03:19:38 PM »
LET ME CHECK THAT....also you will need to remove those "+" or it won't read them. (stupid I know)
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Re: duplicate a profile
« Reply #9 on: May 05, 2016, 03:33:51 PM »
Seems to be working here for *.TXT, and *.XLS file formats:

Code - Text: [Select]
  1. PVI     Station Grade Out       Curve Length   
  2. 0       11+81.04        2.00%          
  3. 1       12+00.00        3.00%          
  4. 2       13+20.49        -2.00%  100.000'       
  5.         Vertical Curve Information:(crest curve)                       
  6.         PVC Station:    12+70.49        Elevation:      12.420'
  7.         PVI Station:    13+20.49        Elevation:      13.920'
  8.         PVT Station:    13+70.49        Elevation:      12.920'
  9.         High Point:     13+30.49        Elevation:      13.320'
  10.         Grade in:       3.00%   Grade out:      -2.00%
  11.         Change: 5.00%   K:      20
  12.         Curve Length:   100.000'               
  13.         Passing Distance:       359.272'        Stopping Distance:      182.915'
  14. 3       16+00.00
  15.  
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Re: duplicate a profile
« Reply #10 on: May 05, 2016, 03:36:40 PM »
doing a PVI report into xls format seems to work better.  I can use find-n-replace to get rid of the "" marks, 0 length curves, then add/subtract the increment I want to renumber.

Of course, the next glitch was C3D crashing on creating a profile from that file..  reboot and try again I suppose.  But baby steps are better than no steps  :-D
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Re: duplicate a profile
« Reply #11 on: May 05, 2016, 03:40:37 PM »
doing a PVI report into xls format seems to work better.  I can use find-n-replace to get rid of the "" marks, 0 length curves, then add/subtract the increment I want to renumber.

Of course, the next glitch was C3D crashing on creating a profile from that file..  reboot and try again I suppose.  But baby steps are better than no steps  :-D

You could always reposition an XREF of the original drawing, and trace it. :-D
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Re: duplicate a profile
« Reply #12 on: May 05, 2016, 03:41:57 PM »
yea, that's what I get.  but what's the elevation information at 11+81.04 in your example?

I suppose I could xref, but...... that's kludgier than I want to be.
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Re: duplicate a profile
« Reply #13 on: May 05, 2016, 04:03:20 PM »
yea, that's what I get.  but what's the elevation information at 11+81.04 in your example?

Good point - looks like you're going to have to run the 'Incremental Station Elevation Difference' report, where I get this:

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  1. PVI     Station Easting Northing        Elevation Existing      Elevation Design        Elevation Difference    Point Type
  2. 0       11+81.04        552485.028'     990984.9347'    10.353' 9.926'  0.427'  PVI
  3. 1       11+85.90        552482.1143'    990988.8265'    10.594' 10.024' 0.570'  Existing
  4. 2       11+87.97        552480.8717'    990990.4861'    10.689' 10.065' 0.624'  Existing
  5. 3       11+89.97        552479.6777'    990992.081'     10.720' 10.105' 0.615'  Existing
  6. 4       11+95.42        552476.4078'    990996.4485'    10.800' 10.214' 0.586'  Line - Curve
  7. 5       11+95.93        552476.1033'    990996.8554'    10.808' 10.224' 0.583'  Existing
  8. 6       11+98.03        552474.845'     990998.5403'    10.694' 10.266' 0.427'  Existing
  9. 7       11+99.35        552474.0582'    990999.5967'    10.611' 10.293' 0.318'  Existing
  10. 8       12+00.00        552473.6712'    991000.1171'    10.488' 10.306' 0.183'  Regular
  11. <snip>
  12.  

... That, or you're going to have to create a custom report.



I suppose I could xref, but...... that's kludgier than I want to be.

In deed, but we are talking about just roughing in the previous design's vertical curves, from which you can then adjust as needed.



I forget - have you already tried renaming the Alignment & Profile, then export to LandXML?

I had to do something similar for a 1,000 AC subdivision, that got broken down into 3 separate phases; a single, cohesive roadway 'loop' around one of the site's two 5 AC parks was broken up into four distinct Alignments and Profiles, and that's what I did - export as "FOO," then import + rename until I completed the set, then edit Alignment + Profile geometry as needed.



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Re: duplicate a profile
« Reply #14 on: May 05, 2016, 04:49:38 PM »
running a PVI report and massaging in Excel works -- just have to renumber pvis to match the renumbering of the alignment, clean out the tabs and hanging chads and it came in perfectly. 
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Re: duplicate a profile
« Reply #15 on: May 06, 2016, 12:19:23 PM »
running a PVI report and massaging in Excel works -- just have to renumber pvis to match the renumbering of the alignment, clean out the tabs and hanging chads and it came in perfectly.

Glad you got it sorted!

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