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Edit a Text Style?
« on: May 21, 2015, 01:16:53 pm »
Okay, I have been looking for this setting, preferably for MTEXT. It is bold everywhere I put it and I can't get rid of it. Other than that, I do not want to change the text style. I could create a new one but it should be easier to just adjust my present one. I have looked and looked and I am missing something obvious...again... :crazy2:

FYI, I want to edit the text style permanently in a template drawing.

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Re: Edit a Text Style?
« Reply #1 on: May 21, 2015, 01:18:40 pm »
Try clicking inside highlight the text then right-click and choose remove formatting.

Or a quick explode will remove also if it formatting.

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« Reply #2 on: May 21, 2015, 01:22:55 pm »
Try clicking inside highlight the text then right-click and choose remove formatting.

Or a quick explode will remove also if it formatting.

That's what I have been doing. I don't want to have to do it every drawing, every text object.
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Re: Edit a Text Style?
« Reply #3 on: May 21, 2015, 01:26:10 pm »
So, the text has been modified to override the style settings?

I have a LISP, STPMtext, that removes the overrides.
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Re: Edit a Text Style?
« Reply #4 on: May 21, 2015, 01:36:30 pm »
So, the text has been modified to override the style settings?

I have a LISP, STPMtext, that removes the overrides.

Not sure, I haven't heard of a STYLE command...? Might be what I'm looking for...

Yup, ...I feel sorta dumb right now.  :uglystupid2: Fontstyle was set to Bold.

I might as well set up my own text style. I change it and it changes back. <sigh> Maybe it's only changing it per drawing? And then I have to go back and fix it.

Come to think of it, maybe your LISP is exactly what I need... :wink:
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« Reply #5 on: May 21, 2015, 01:41:38 pm »
One of the things I want to fix, though, is it says text height says 0" in style but it prints just fine and it's NOT annotative. I'm annoyed by that. I want to print it at 3/32", not 1/8".

Don't get me wrong, I can "play" with text all day long but I don't want to have to any more.

I like the idea of annotative text, but I ran into a problem with it earlier and now I can't remember what it is.

So yeah, I guess I have a tutorial or two in front of me.
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Re: Edit a Text Style?
« Reply #6 on: May 21, 2015, 01:43:08 pm »
If changing the text style did what you wanted, then the style isn't overridden in the MText.

Yes, the style is stored in each .dwg.
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Re: Edit a Text Style?
« Reply #7 on: May 21, 2015, 01:58:45 pm »
however...one can set up a brand new file

create text styles with all the settings one desires...

and then through the MAGIC of the Parent Child relationship of drawings


One inserts the file with the *BAD* settings in it - it then inherits the new $GOOD$ settings

and then one wblocks it out to the wen and improved version of it's former self.



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Re: Edit a Text Style?
« Reply #8 on: May 21, 2015, 01:59:14 pm »
So do I have to start a template drawing from scratch in order to set the text up how I want it?

i.e.a default text style:

Height
Annotative or not
Style Type
etc.
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Re: Edit a Text Style?
« Reply #9 on: May 21, 2015, 02:02:42 pm »
If changing the text style did what you wanted, then the style isn't overridden in the MText.

Yes, the style is stored in each .dwg.

Oh, I see. I had to back up and re-read.

Darn.
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Re: Edit a Text Style?
« Reply #10 on: May 21, 2015, 02:02:48 pm »
So do I have to start a template drawing from scratch in order to set the text up how I want it?

i.e.a default text style:

Height
Annotative or not
Style Type
etc.

Probably the easiest way to impose your will on multiple files.
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« Reply #11 on: May 21, 2015, 02:03:42 pm »
wblock out two or three pieces of the offending text...post that file here for review and advisement
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« Reply #12 on: May 21, 2015, 02:05:06 pm »
So do I have to start a template drawing from scratch in order to set the text up how I want it?

i.e.a default text style:

Height
Annotative or not
Style Type
etc.

Probably the easiest way to impose your will on multiple files.

 :blink:

Wait a minute...

If I do that, will it hit every file ? I just want to adjust the ones I work on. I want to be able to open old drawings WITHOUT changing them.
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Re: Edit a Text Style?
« Reply #13 on: May 21, 2015, 02:12:37 pm »
wblock out two or three pieces of the offending text...post that file here for review and advisement

No longer the problem.  :-D It was bold in a text leader. I just told it to un-bold. Problem is, the applied text style is bold so it affects all text. I can un-bold it in each place but I want to un-bold it overall.
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Re: Edit a Text Style?
« Reply #14 on: May 21, 2015, 02:36:08 pm »
post sample...it is easiest way for us to advise

nevermind, without lisp or other programing I don't see any easy fix for this....
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Re: Edit a Text Style?
« Reply #15 on: May 21, 2015, 02:46:26 pm »
 :?
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Re: Edit a Text Style?
« Reply #16 on: May 21, 2015, 03:06:09 pm »
your file appears empty...

however IF it is this style SWE that is the problem.

the instructions prior about starting a NEW file and defining that style to behave correctly as desired should work...see attached

I opened your empty file...

drew a line...wblocked out to new file
opened that new file
renamed your misbehavin style
made a NEW style with desired properties...
Inserted your file as a block (allowing autocad to OVERWRITE the similarly named style with my newly defined style)
Wblocked your file back out to it's same named salf, preserving the style changes
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Re: Edit a Text Style?
« Reply #17 on: May 21, 2015, 03:07:26 pm »
:?

Just change textstyle and done
STYLE
Change SWE from bold to regular and REGEN and done.

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« Reply #18 on: May 21, 2015, 03:15:06 pm »
my method will work on files without opening them
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Re: Edit a Text Style?
« Reply #19 on: May 21, 2015, 03:29:51 pm »
:?

Just change textstyle and done
STYLE
Change SWE from bold to regular and REGEN and done.

Will that work on all text objects in the drawing?

and...that only works on the current drawing, correct?
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« Reply #20 on: May 21, 2015, 03:30:43 pm »
your file appears empty...

however IF it is this style SWE that is the problem.

the instructions prior about starting a NEW file and defining that style to behave correctly as desired should work...see attached

I opened your empty file...

drew a line...wblocked out to new file
opened that new file
renamed your misbehavin style
made a NEW style with desired properties...
Inserted your file as a block (allowing autocad to OVERWRITE the similarly named style with my newly defined style)
Wblocked your file back out to it's same named salf, preserving the style changes

thank you mj, I'm going to see if I can do it myself. Very useful.
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« Reply #21 on: May 21, 2015, 03:39:22 pm »
conceivably one could do this to an entire folder full of files using design center to insert....and then manually wblocking them back out again...
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« Reply #22 on: May 21, 2015, 03:44:34 pm »
conceivably one could do this to an entire folder full of files using design center to insert....and then manually wblocking them back out again...

nice!  :-D

If I set it to annotative, how do I make sure it automatically adds scales per viewport?
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Re: Edit a Text Style?
« Reply #23 on: May 21, 2015, 03:47:38 pm »
ANNOAUTOSCALE (System Variable)
 
 
 
Updates annotative objects to support the annotation scale when the annotation scale is changed.

Type:   Integer
Saved in:   Registry
Initial value:   -4
When the value is negative, the autoscale functionality is turned off, but the settings are maintained:
0
Newly set annotation scale is not added to annotative objects.
1
Adds the newly set annotation scale to annotative objects that support the current scale except for those on layers that are turned off, frozen, locked or that are set to Viewport > Freeze.
2
Adds the newly set annotation scale to annotative objects that support the current scale except for those on layers that are turned off, frozen, or that are set to Viewport > Freeze.
3
Adds the newly set annotation scale to annotative objects that support the current scale except for those on layers that are locked.
4
Adds the newly set annotation scale to all annotative objects that support the current scale.

and or ANNOUPDATE  >>> ALL
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Re: Edit a Text Style?
« Reply #24 on: May 21, 2015, 04:17:06 pm »
Okay...How do I get it to be bigger in model space so I can see it but annotate to .0938 on paperspace?

Maybe I have been over this, but I need a referesher.  :lol:
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« Reply #25 on: May 21, 2015, 04:26:41 pm »
Okay...How do I get it to be bigger in model space so I can see it but annotate to .0938 on paperspace?

Maybe I have been over this, but I need a referesher.  :lol:
be sure to add annoscale 1:1
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« Reply #26 on: May 21, 2015, 04:41:29 pm »
I'm doing something wrong...
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« Reply #27 on: May 21, 2015, 04:56:56 pm »
No it is exactly 'right'.

Try this....Add and anno scale that you wont ever use in your viewport(s)
something like 1:20
Set that anno scale current WHILE in Model Space...your text, blocks, and or hatches and dimensions, will all now be nice and big (visible)
while in model space. However only the desired view scales should be added to the items you want to show in those particular viewports.
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« Reply #28 on: May 21, 2015, 04:57:56 pm »
also of note your dimension was NOT associative...it should be

it also was not annotative...also should be
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« Reply #29 on: May 21, 2015, 05:10:12 pm »
No it is exactly 'right'.

Try this....Add and anno scale that you wont ever use in your viewport(s)
something like 1:20
Set that anno scale current WHILE in Model Space...your text, blocks, and or hatches and dimensions, will all now be nice and big (visible)
while in model space. However only the desired view scales should be added to the items you want to show in those particular viewports.

Good idea.

also of note your dimension was NOT associative...it should be

it also was not annotative...also should be

I'm easing into it. I can't change too much too fast without rocking the boat...so to speak. Text is a good start.  ;-)
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« Reply #30 on: May 21, 2015, 05:23:08 pm »
I don't know, I'm about to drop an elephant in a dingy here.

These folks are currently doing 2d building layouts for water pump stations....imagine how tedious.

So in preparation in my spare 'development' time I have been building the pieces of pipe and various fittings
that go into said pump stations typically, right up to and including concrete blocks to build the walls with.

And then I will need to school them on using these tools, that will live on a tool palette to make it easier to
grab the right part(s) off the shelf.

Then they will also need to learn to control section line objects, and the section views it can generate.


Be sure to document the process to use these new tools, you will find greater adoption rate and less resistance.
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Re: Edit a Text Style?
« Reply #31 on: May 21, 2015, 05:29:48 pm »
No it is exactly 'right'.

Try this....Add and anno scale that you wont ever use in your viewport(s)
something like 1:20
Set that anno scale current WHILE in Model Space...your text, blocks, and or hatches and dimensions, will all now be nice and big (visible)
while in model space. However only the desired view scales should be added to the items you want to show in those particular viewports.

Good idea.

also of note your dimension was NOT associative...it should be

it also was not annotative...also should be

I'm easing into it. I can't change too much too fast without rocking the boat...so to speak. Text is a good start.  ;-)
Something that can be useful or throw you for a loop if do not know is editing annotative object using its grips only apply to that scale.
So using that last drawing you posted and add 1/8" and 1/4" scale to it and when set to 1/4" if you select text and move it by its grip it only moves the 1/4" scaled text. Using move will do all.
On annotate tab the is sync positions or ANNORESET will align them all back together

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« Reply #32 on: May 21, 2015, 05:47:59 pm »
Something that can be useful or throw you for a loop if do not know is editing annotative object using its grips only apply to that scale.
So using that last drawing you posted and add 1/8" and 1/4" scale to it and when set to 1/4" if you select text and move it by its grip it only moves the 1/4" scaled text. Using move will do all.
On annotate tab the is sync positions or ANNORESET will align them all back together

Thanks!  :-) I remember grip editing annotative objects confusing me before but I didn't know about move or annoreset (I think I've heard the second but I am drinking from a fire hydrant here...have been for quite some time since I got this job.)  :lol:
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« Reply #33 on: May 21, 2015, 05:58:02 pm »
There are some nuances to using annotative scaling and a lot of people are overwhelmed by it, at first. I was. It took me a while but it was like all of a sudden, I got it. We don't use it like it was intended, though. We hardly ever have the same annotative object showing at more than one scale. They are set to annotative, but only have one scale assigned to them. It is just an easier way for users, who are less adept at setting up their own stuff, to be able to do so "on the fly". Really, really, basic stuff, but it works and there is no reason not to use it.
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« Reply #34 on: May 21, 2015, 06:00:30 pm »
I wish there was also VIEW specific text....so If you annotate in a LEFT view that text will only ever show up in viewports set to show LEFT side....with option for multiple sides as well.....it would be very cool to have.
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« Reply #35 on: May 21, 2015, 06:05:03 pm »
I wish there was also VIEW specific text....so If you annotate in a LEFT view that text will only ever show up in viewports set to show LEFT side....with option for multiple sides as well.....it would be very cool to have.

And there it is...the reason I had decided against it.  :-P

But...my current drawing is an old 2D one and all in one viewport (that I created). Originally it was plotted from model space including the titleblock. It needs to fill the viewport to extents and the text (also in model space) needs to be 1/8" printed. So, annotative works very well here for my purposes.

Now that I'm thinking on it, looks like I may need to switch back and forth a bit.  :cry:
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« Reply #36 on: May 21, 2015, 06:05:32 pm »
I wish there was also VIEW specific text....so If you annotate in a LEFT view that text will only ever show up in viewports set to show LEFT side....with option for multiple sides as well.....it would be very cool to have.

Pssst, you can have different scale "names" with the same scale factor.
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