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dgorsman

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Re: "AutoCAD Classic Workspace with AutoCAD 2015"
« Reply #15 on: February 02, 2015, 07:16:17 PM »

It would be free to 'leave it alone'
It costs them to remove , or obfuscate it.

Free, yes.  Useable, not so much - old UI elements rely on old programming tools.  Leaving it alone would simply leave the program unable to run on newer OS releases.
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rkmcswain

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Re: "AutoCAD Classic Workspace with AutoCAD 2015"
« Reply #16 on: February 03, 2015, 07:51:30 AM »
Quote from: dgorsman
old UI elements rely on old programming tools.  Leaving it alone would simply leave the program unable to run on newer OS releases.

But these "old UI elements" are still in the program (pull-down menus, toolbars, even the screenmenu).
There is no conflict with new O/S.

JNieman

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Re: "AutoCAD Classic Workspace with AutoCAD 2015"
« Reply #17 on: February 03, 2015, 08:03:59 AM »
I do understand that at some point you can't keep old UI elements that may rely on a dead or no-longer-used language, or features that are not needed for anything else.  If the only thing certain resources are used for are simple UI elements, I could see those resources coming under scrutiny during audit. 

Like rkmcswain, it is very confusing to me because of the fact that it's still a simple CUI profile away from being added back in.  And, as mentioned, an employee went and entered a controlled document to the KB to describe the process.

I'm just left bewildered, I guess.  Possibly they are hoping to trim away some of the peoples preferences to the traditional UI, switch more people over to the new UI, so that their developments/features have a larger user-base impact when they're only developed fully using the newer UI.  I know they're not real good about fully developing the command-line usage of some newer tools, in a few cases at least.  Possibly they want to stop having such a desire to fully develop command-line-driven content.  If at some point the people using the "old fashioned" UI are so few, they can justify marginalizing their concerns/desires.

Oh well.  I just use LT now as a minor/occasional tool.  Back to NX8 for me.

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Re: "AutoCAD Classic Workspace with AutoCAD 2015"
« Reply #18 on: February 03, 2015, 08:13:17 AM »
>>it is very confusing to me because of the fact that it's still a simple CUI profile away from being added back in.  And, as mentioned, an employee went and entered a controlled document to the KB to describe the process.

'Deskers are not apparently a very cohesive group.  But what ships as 'default' and get priority in development is evidently driven by marketers.  Only rational explanation for the preponderance of bling and show.  'Classic' is not cool, and the existence of a 'classic' mode suggests that the eye candy is not the end-all be-all, so marketing says kill it.    On the other hand, there are Deskers who care about user's requests, so a back door approach out of marketing's purview provides a documented fix.
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Re: "AutoCAD Classic Workspace with AutoCAD 2015"
« Reply #19 on: February 03, 2015, 08:15:12 AM »
Oh well.  I just use LT now as a minor/occasional tool.  Back to NX8 for me.
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Re: "AutoCAD Classic Workspace with AutoCAD 2015"
« Reply #20 on: February 03, 2015, 08:27:46 AM »
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'Deskers are not apparently a very cohesive group.  But what ships as 'default' and get priority in development is evidently driven by marketers.  Only rational explanation for the preponderance of bling and show.  'Classic' is not cool, and the existence of a 'classic' mode suggests that the eye candy is not the end-all be-all, so marketing says kill it.    On the other hand, there are Deskers who care about user's requests, so a back door approach out of marketing's purview provides a documented fix.

Wow. You nailed it exactly IMO.
I understand that selling new licenses is what makes them $$, and the marketing/sales team gets a lot of say-so in how the product looks
But on the flip side, you have many, many long-time, loyal customers who feel like they are getting hosed on something like this.
And as you mention, there are many people there who DO understand the users frustrations and do what they can to provide a "fix".

The end result is a "corporate message" (It's time to quit using the classic UI, and start use our fancy UI stuff!) and then an underground fix (Psssttt... here is how to get the classic UI restored.. don't tell the sales guys!)


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Re: "AutoCAD Classic Workspace with AutoCAD 2015"
« Reply #21 on: February 03, 2015, 08:41:02 AM »
Oh well.  I just use LT now as a minor/occasional tool.  Back to NX8 for me.
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Dang! I'd get fired if i sat around all day and played games. :)

I still hate that google pushes that damn URL to the first page when I'm searching for something.  Though it's usually only when it can't find /relevant/ hits for my stupid question so... meh.

>>it is very confusing to me because of the fact that it's still a simple CUI profile away from being added back in.  And, as mentioned, an employee went and entered a controlled document to the KB to describe the process.

'Deskers are not apparently a very cohesive group.  But what ships as 'default' and get priority in development is evidently driven by marketers.  Only rational explanation for the preponderance of bling and show.  'Classic' is not cool, and the existence of a 'classic' mode suggests that the eye candy is not the end-all be-all, so marketing says kill it.    On the other hand, there are Deskers who care about user's requests, so a back door approach out of marketing's purview provides a documented fix.
Yea, I kind of figured that might be it.

Of course - those more prone to desire the classic UI are probably more likely to be able to find the KB article, figure it out on their own, or have already managed to include the CUI option in their deployment before rolling it out to the company.  Who knows.  We aren't on subscription, so I'm still sitting back here with LT2014.  If it gets to the point where 2014 is too out of date, I'm not very likely to suggest getting a new version of LT, and I'll likely just switch to using Draftsight or something else for my minuscule DWG/DXF needs.