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mjfarrell

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Re: Page Setup Alignment Question
« Reply #15 on: October 28, 2014, 10:12:02 am »
I think I have about sorted out the cause....

the title blocks are so mutated that their insertion points and or scales are NOT insert @ 0,0 and or scale of one....

then when the page size, inked area limits are defined for the Page Setup...0,0 is technically redefined and then the title block and the page setup no longer align, because they were never properly aligned to begin with.


What a kettle of Pepper Jack Cheese balls, this is.  And propagated by persons that in theory 'know' Autoocad.
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Re: Page Setup Alignment Question
« Reply #16 on: October 28, 2014, 10:33:24 am »
I think I have about sorted out the cause....

the title blocks are so mutated that their insertion points and or scales are NOT insert @ 0,0 and or scale of one....

then when the page size, inked area limits are defined for the Page Setup...0,0 is technically redefined and then the title block and the page setup no longer align, because they were never properly aligned to begin with.


What a kettle of Pepper Jack Cheese balls, this is.  And propagated by persons that in theory 'know' Autoocad.

Ok if the borders are not properly located and scaled, then you have discovered the issue.

however (always one of those, right)

you keep saying that "0,0 is technically redefined" ... who is 'redefining' 0,0?? ... and where is it being redefined??

The plotter/printer defined in the page setup defines the paper size used and the 'printable area' of that particular plotter/printer with paperspace 0,0 at the lower left corner of that page (plotoffset determines edge of page or edge of printable area) and it will stay there unless the operator alters it by one of the available plot limits definitions (extents, window, limits)

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Re: Page Setup Alignment Question
« Reply #17 on: October 28, 2014, 11:01:46 am »
0,0 for paperspace can either be defined as EDGE of Paper or Inked Area Limits.

This because many could not adjust to 0,0 being the inked area limits for the paperspace 'origin',
as it was originally when Page Setups were first introduced.

Personally I still use and like inked area limits for my definition of paperspace origin.
Others may prefer and or understand that 0,0 is the corner of the paper.

In this instance; where one defines the inked area limits effectively 'redefines' where 0,0 is for the layout.

If one is using 'edge of paper' then 0,0 is left alone. (could be why some prefer it)
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Re: Page Setup Alignment Question
« Reply #18 on: October 28, 2014, 11:03:38 am »


Ok if the borders are not properly located and scaled, then you have discovered the issue.

Just not accustomed to finding such a mixed bag of title block scales and origins within a single company,
and possibly even from a single source.
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Re: Page Setup Alignment Question
« Reply #19 on: October 28, 2014, 12:36:50 pm »
0,0 for paperspace can either be defined as EDGE of Paper or Inked Area Limits.
PLOTOFFSET = 1 for printable area = 0 for edge of paper.

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Re: Page Setup Alignment Question
« Reply #20 on: October 28, 2014, 12:48:46 pm »
0,0 for paperspace can either be defined as EDGE of Paper or Inked Area Limits.
PLOTOFFSET = 1 for printable area = 0 for edge of paper.

Thanks Randy, obviously I am already aware of those settings.

However thanks for providing them for others that may not be. 
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Re: Page Setup Alignment Question
« Reply #21 on: October 28, 2014, 12:50:56 pm »
Terminology is the key to understanding.  Someone reading here and looking in help for "inked limits" would be disappointed.

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Re: Page Setup Alignment Question
« Reply #22 on: October 28, 2014, 12:53:10 pm »
I can always just delete the tab and start fresh; however it would be nice to know what is really happening.

Sometimes it just makes sense to let it go and start fresh. If it starts happening again, then it might be time to track it down.
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Re: Page Setup Alignment Question
« Reply #23 on: October 28, 2014, 12:57:24 pm »
Terminology is the key to understanding.  Someone reading here and looking in help for "inked limits" would be disappointed.

That may be true;

however IF I take the title of this topic

PAGE SETUP + INKED AREA and search Autocad Help

it returns as the FIRST TOPIC the correct answer.

If I search GOOGLE page setup inked area it also returns as the FIRST TOPIC.

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Re: Page Setup Alignment Question
« Reply #24 on: October 28, 2014, 12:58:54 pm »
I can always just delete the tab and start fresh; however it would be nice to know what is really happening.

Sometimes it just makes sense to let it go and start fresh. If it starts happening again, then it might be time to track it down.

Interestingly enough, I offered exactly that advice:  http://www.theswamp.org/index.php?topic=31088.5;wap2
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Re: Page Setup Alignment Question
« Reply #25 on: October 28, 2014, 12:59:19 pm »
Technology (and synonyms) is a wonderful thing.
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Re: Page Setup Alignment Question
« Reply #26 on: October 28, 2014, 02:16:45 pm »
Terminology is the key to understanding.  Someone reading here and looking in help for "inked limits" would be disappointed.

That may be true;

however IF I take the title of this topic

PAGE SETUP + INKED AREA and search Autocad Help

it returns as the FIRST TOPIC the correct answer.

If I search GOOGLE page setup inked area it also returns as the FIRST TOPIC.
You get the same results without the word INKED. INKED shows up no where in AutoCAD help.