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Bethrine

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« on: September 11, 2014, 06:16:12 PM »
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Re: Revision
« Reply #1 on: September 11, 2014, 06:37:16 PM »
We just revise what needs changing, if we chase all not so good things in drawings we'd never get our job done

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Re: Revision
« Reply #2 on: September 11, 2014, 07:12:30 PM »
In terms of profitability, the smart answer is #2.
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Re: Revision
« Reply #3 on: September 12, 2014, 10:29:44 AM »
In terms of profitability, the smart answer is #2.

Unless the mistakes are changed dimensions.  :|

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Re: Revision
« Reply #4 on: September 12, 2014, 12:18:13 PM »
Depends on the reason for the revision.

If it is a client change to fit his desires, I'll revise EVERYTHING for which he is willing to pay.  If he is not willing to pay for anything I won't revise anything.

If it is an error on our part we will revise whatever is needed to provide the deliverable in a constructable fashion.

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Re: Revision
« Reply #5 on: September 12, 2014, 12:24:13 PM »
# 2 as changing anything NOT directly associated with the required revision is wasted effort

OR,

If it was already wrong, but not materially significant to the clarity or constructibility leave it alone.*


*Just remember to NOT make those particular mistakes or use those drafting procedures in the next file.
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Re: Revision
« Reply #6 on: September 15, 2014, 08:16:09 AM »
Revision Clouds bite!!
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Re: Revision
« Reply #7 on: September 15, 2014, 08:20:31 AM »
Revision Clouds bite!!

Are you familiar with CAB's LISP, PL2Cloud?
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Re: Revision
« Reply #8 on: September 15, 2014, 09:42:32 AM »
Are you familiar with CAB's LISP, PL2Cloud?
No will have to look in to it.  CAB has some pretty neat stuff.

Drawing them is not the problem.  It is having to draw them for foolish reasons like pre-issuing the set at 75% just so prices and bidding can get started then and then having to cloud the entire set for rest of the design.   :uglystupid2:
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Re: Revision
« Reply #9 on: September 15, 2014, 09:44:53 AM »
A change at 75% issue is technically NOT a revision; as at the time of issue the plans are incomplete.

A change after FINAL 100% plans are issued is a revision.
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Re: Revision
« Reply #10 on: September 15, 2014, 09:46:00 AM »
We've had a lot of those recently and, in every case, any reference to that revision on the drawings gets deleted.
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Re: Revision
« Reply #11 on: September 15, 2014, 09:48:30 AM »
A change at 75% issue is technically NOT a revision; as at the time of issue the plans are incomplete.

A change after FINAL 100% plans are issued is a revision.
Well Duh!  Everyone knows that 15 minutes could save you 15% or more on car insurance. 

But did you I know that revision clouds can be used indicate a where changes have happen in a set of drawings at anytime? 
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Re: Revision
« Reply #12 on: September 15, 2014, 11:56:56 AM »
A change after bid typically needs to get clouded, otherwise the bidders redo all their takeoffs and rebid the whole thing.

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Re: Revision
« Reply #13 on: September 15, 2014, 12:33:49 PM »
I understand that helps the bidder but it opens up the whining and complaining with "... that is not in the budget!" or "that was never discussed." and "... the Architects are blowing the project".    My point is that we try to be the nice guy by holding their hand and we still get bit.
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Re: Revision
« Reply #14 on: September 15, 2014, 12:50:31 PM »
yup, we're always screwed bidding off incomplete documents. my favorite is GC's trying to get job in preconstruction talking about how they help make sure things stay in budget and know how to cover the details, but have no idea what you're talking about when issue for construction comes out. I try explaining to clients that the last 2% of documents cover a bunch of notes that add 10% of the job. (or will be 10% if you issue after bid...) (oh - that little line with no note is flashing? we didn't think you needed that...)