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(AutoCAD LT) Is it time to upgrade yet?
« on: January 24, 2012, 11:15:26 AM »
We are currently ussing LT2008.

08 works pretty well for what we need it to do. Plus, with Trueview on my workstation also, I can always back-rev any newer dwgs from outside sources.

I have really tried to avoid upgrading, not only because of the cost, but mainly to avoid that blasted Ribbon. It just takes up too much real estate for me. I hated and still do hate when  MS Office changed to it. - I STILL have trouble finding what I want in MS Office!!!!

But, it occured to me that perhaps the newer versions of LT MAY have other abilities that may make us more effecient in our day to day drawing.

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Re: Is it time to upgrade yet?
« Reply #1 on: January 24, 2012, 11:22:25 AM »
The Ribbon's not that bad ... plus you can hide it if you want (RIBBONCLOSE)  :-P

FWIW ... if you wanted to get a real upgrade, dump LT and get a full seat so the beauty of lisp could help out with productivity  8-) .
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craigr

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Re: Is it time to upgrade yet?
« Reply #2 on: January 24, 2012, 11:25:55 AM »
I just HATE that they did that!!

Can the ribbon be permantly disabled so it looks like 08 version?

I have my own custom icons / toolbars surrounding my screen, I don't want the Ribbon. Very seldom do I use any command that isn't on my toolbars. When I do, I usually just type it.

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Re: Is it time to upgrade yet?
« Reply #3 on: January 24, 2012, 11:29:19 AM »
I just HATE that they did that!!

Can the ribbon be permantly disabled so it looks like 08 version?

I have my own custom icons / toolbars surrounding my screen, I don't want the Ribbon. Very seldom do I use any command that isn't on my toolbars. When I do, I usually just type it.

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Yes ... there is a Workspace called "AutoCAD Classic".
If a full seat of AutoCAD is too much look into: http://www.bricsys.com/en_INTL/bricscad/index.jsp

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Re: Is it time to upgrade yet?
« Reply #4 on: January 24, 2012, 11:30:28 AM »
I have looked into BrisCad - not for us.

We MUST Stick with Autodesk to me Specs.

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Re: Is it time to upgrade yet?
« Reply #5 on: January 24, 2012, 11:33:31 AM »
I still vote for a full seat if you want to "upgrade", then get on the subscription plan.  :-P

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craigr

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Re: Is it time to upgrade yet?
« Reply #6 on: January 24, 2012, 11:34:57 AM »
A full seat of CAD is WAYYYY out of budget.

What is this Subscription plan about?

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Re: Is it time to upgrade yet?
« Reply #7 on: January 24, 2012, 11:40:17 AM »
A full seat of CAD is WAYYYY out of budget.

What is this Subscription plan about?

It breaks out the cost ... you pay $500 or so per year per seat and have access to the latest an greatest.

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craigr

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Re: Is it time to upgrade yet?
« Reply #8 on: January 24, 2012, 11:46:05 AM »
Which leads me back to my original questin....

What am I missing by saying the costs of upgrading every year from 2008 to 2012?

At $500 a year, what am I missing? - Enough productivity to warrant that much money for ONE Seat? - We currently carry 10. - That is alot of money a year. (saving the $20k over the last 4 years by not upgrading).

I don't believe in upgrading just for the sake of upgrading. - Give me some useful tools with each upgrrade that will help improve effeciancy. That being said, if we had a rev that had problems that delt us fits, I would definately upgrade to avoid those truoubles.

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Re: Is it time to upgrade yet?
« Reply #9 on: January 24, 2012, 11:52:14 AM »
I would say don't upgrade until your operating system won't run your old version of CAD.  :lmao:  2008 was a pretty damn good release and it sounds like you're making do with it just fine.

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Re: Is it time to upgrade yet?
« Reply #10 on: January 24, 2012, 11:52:45 AM »
I know the horse is dead, but I'm gonna give it one more kick...

I wish Autodesk would introduce changes to their subscription and allow for an upgrade say... every other year or every third year...

Alan, I think it would make sense for you to have say... one, MAYBE two full seats of AutoCAD... network licensed, so you could install it on everyone's machine (or a select few) and just limit the number of people who can actually USE it to those who NEED it WHEN they need it.

My 2, anyway...

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Re: Is it time to upgrade yet?
« Reply #11 on: January 24, 2012, 11:59:35 AM »
I would very much like for us to have at least ONE Full version of CAD to use. It wouldve saved me a couple of times.

Here a while back, I had to email a dwg to someone on this board so they could 'fix' something with their full version for me. But, it's been so long ago, I don't remember what it was.

This ONE time wouldn't really justify the difference in cost between full version and LT. Though I know there are other things the Full version would help with.

Basically, I know there is NO WAY our management would authorize the cost of the full version.

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Re: Is it time to upgrade yet?
« Reply #12 on: January 24, 2012, 12:03:54 PM »
If 08 is still doing what you need it to do, there is no reason to upgrade.
Unless you count the financial bribery of your dealer as a resaon.
I despise the subscription, as it does nothing other than force an upgrade on you every year, and as you say not for more real useful tools at that.  Mostly interface changes and a few new things that include their own new bugs to go along with them.
And autodesk gets by with this because they already have your money, and thus no market forces to make them release a better product.
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Re: Is it time to upgrade yet?
« Reply #13 on: January 24, 2012, 12:05:09 PM »
AMEN

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Re: Is it time to upgrade yet?
« Reply #14 on: January 24, 2012, 02:04:19 PM »
You're running LT, so there's nothing on top of it which requires specific ARX/DBX versions.  You may find yourself running into problems with object enablers for newer verticals, which may not be built for older versions of AutoCAD products.  You should be at least *planning* an upgrade in the future, saving/budgeting a little spare $$$ here and there so you can when needed.  There is likely another change to both DWG and ARX/DBX coming up, so you may want to dive in when that happens (after the first SP, of course) or the one after that since that is when they have hammered out most of the major issues brought about by the roll over.

No need to buy into the Grampa Simpson "EEEEeeevilllll!" moustache twirling villiany theory.  Subscription does nothing to "force" an upgrade.  You can install or not, as you need.  We're on sub for a number of products and find ourselves upgrading every two-three releases.  Sub support has also provided some valuable fixes to technical problems which have come up (beware their Seibel eCustomer interface - horrible).
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« Reply #15 on: January 24, 2012, 02:13:28 PM »
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Sub support has also provided some valuable fixes to technical problems which have come up (beware their Seibel eCustomer interface - horrible).

Problems that most likely would not have even existed IF autodesk wasn't in such a rush to market, or actually listened to their customer feedback. 

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Re: Is it time to upgrade yet?
« Reply #16 on: January 24, 2012, 02:23:26 PM »
If AutoDesk listened to customer feedback... I'd be trying to use MEP to do P&IDs and Revit for refinery design.  Too many danged building people out there!
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Re: Is it time to upgrade yet?
« Reply #17 on: January 24, 2012, 02:29:22 PM »
(saving the $20k over the last 4 years by not upgrading).
Yes, but what about how much its going to cost you if you decided now to upgrade 40~50k (assuming full autocad)
so in reality, you would have saved 20~30k over the last 4 years by being on subscription
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Re: Is it time to upgrade yet?
« Reply #18 on: January 24, 2012, 02:36:47 PM »
how does buying a product one doesn't install really save you any money...that's just so much 1984 Newspeak if you think about it

And all the while your yearly subscription fees (protection money) allows the company to stay in business with the least amount of effort
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Re: Is it time to upgrade yet?
« Reply #19 on: April 02, 2012, 09:51:28 AM »
 -  There is no way that we are going to go to a FULL version and BricsCAD or any other software is out of the question. That being said....

   I am really on the fence about upgrading to 2013. I know we are pretty far behind everyone else, but other than the fact that all of our workstations are going to Windows 7, and our 2008LT isn't 'rated' for Windows 7, I really don't see a need to upgrade. We have been able to get 2008 to work on Windows 7 without issues, so why fix what aint broken?

   I was hoping I would hear some great reason to Upgrade. But, I've yet to hear any real advantages to upgrading. When we get drawings from outside sources that are a newer rev, I simply use TrueView to backrev them to 2008. It's kind of a pain, but it has been working for us so far.

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Re: Is it time to upgrade yet?
« Reply #20 on: April 04, 2012, 03:04:03 PM »
   Well, I've downloaded 2013 LT and brought my customizations in. It wasn't easy, but not near as bad as I had anticipated. The only thing that didn't come over well were my custom Icons assignments. But I think that was more my fault than AutoDesk's. On my existing workstation, I didn't have them all in one place. On my new workstation, they are.

   I think I may have management talked into upgrading to 2013 IF I can cut down on the number of 'casual users'. We have a few people that use CAD only to strip floor plans of everthing but walls, doors, etc...  They then export the floorplan to a .jpg to use in their graphics package.

   I was thinking that there may be a FREE CAD prg out there that they can use to clean up / strip floor plans then export to a .jpg to use for their graphics. This would save us a few seats of AutoCAD. Before I spend a bunch of time downloading and trying out different softwares, do any of you have a suggestion?

   The other option is for a CAD user to strip the floor plan for them - not really desirable for them or me.

I would appreciate any suggestions you may have.

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Re: Is it time to upgrade yet?
« Reply #21 on: April 05, 2012, 10:43:50 AM »
what about switching to network licensing, then determine how many you actually need, and let the causal users fight over a few licenses?  For example, at our office, we have 5 full time users of AutoCAD, we might be looking to hire someone part time, we have another user that rarely, if ever gets on AutoCAD, so instead of purchasing 2 full licenses at 7k* each, just get 1 network seat and let the two users split time on it.  While keeping everyone else on standalone seats.

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Re: Is it time to upgrade yet?
« Reply #22 on: April 05, 2012, 10:49:03 AM »
That would be a great idea for some companies, but unfortunately, not us. That was one of my first ideas to cut down on seats, but I was reminded that we can't do that.

Most of our CAD users do some of their CAD work 'off site' & not connected to the Internet or any other Network. While they are out in the field, waiting for their devices to be wired, etc.. they often update & / or create CAD Drawings.

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Re: Is it time to upgrade yet?
« Reply #23 on: April 05, 2012, 11:11:19 AM »
Network licenses can be checked out/borrowed, even if you have only a temporary network connection, but IIRC LT doesn't have network licensing...
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Re: Is it time to upgrade yet?
« Reply #24 on: April 05, 2012, 12:22:57 PM »
Network licenses can be checked out/borrowed, even if you have only a temporary network connection, but IIRC LT doesn't have network licensing...
And once 'checked out' that license is no longer available to any other user(s)
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Re: Is it time to upgrade yet?
« Reply #25 on: April 05, 2012, 01:59:42 PM »
If it's working fine, don't fix it. If you want to find out the differences you could try this:

http://autodesk.blogs.com/between_the_lines/autocad_lt/


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Re: Is it time to upgrade yet?
« Reply #27 on: April 05, 2012, 03:56:32 PM »
Thanks MamaJama for those links. I have copied them into a doc I plan to present to management on all we will be gaining by upgrading to 2013.

I was kind of disappointed by the 2013 link from Kate Morrical. If those couple of changes is all that is different from 2012 to 2013 then there wasn't much to crow about.

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Re: Is it time to upgrade yet?
« Reply #28 on: April 06, 2012, 07:54:49 AM »
Agreed about 2013. We're only in the process of upgrading to 2012, ourselves. We'll be skipping 2013 and probably 2014 as well, unless there's some huge improvement. We're pretty much on a 2 or 3 version upgrade cycle.
Oh, and I've heard that Help in 2013 is pretty bad.
Check this blog for more info about a whole lot of things.
http://www.blog.cadnauseam.com/

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« Reply #29 on: April 06, 2012, 10:58:43 AM »
From what I've seen so far 2013 is a real let down.

From the botched 'help' system, all the way through to no Google Earth support in Civil 3D.

It looks like autodesk really dropped the ball on this release.

Most likely the only thing they got right is the new DWG format, which ensures everyone will eventually have to upgrade or deal with conversion issues.

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