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Bob Wahr

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Re: You down with OPP?
« Reply #30 on: November 18, 2009, 01:49:30 PM »
So, dive in 100% without looking into benefits or methods at all, changing standards, means, and methods, to find out if it's good or not.  This really isn't a knock just an observation but it is really obvious from that that you don't do production.

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Re: You down with OPP?
« Reply #31 on: November 18, 2009, 01:59:49 PM »
Me thinks you missinterpret the intent...however your questions and comparisons are getting in the way of seeing any benefit.  In the time you have taken to attempt to compare and contrast that which you know against that which you don't you have already spent as much or more than you might have to know for sure. And none of it would get in the way of 'production' drafting task.

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Bob Wahr

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Re: You down with OPP?
« Reply #32 on: November 18, 2009, 03:39:00 PM »
But a project or two isn't enough, you said so yourself.  I did a project last month that I used a sheet set on.  I so absolutely zero benefit from doing it.  I have no doubt that it's because I don't know what there is to know about them so I ask the person I know who is most adamantly in favor of them and just get shut up and take my word for it.  How am I supposed to really know if it's worthwhile or just another buggy, viral autodesk semi-implementation of a marketing ploy.  Honestly, AutoCAD being the only CAD program that I know of that has sheet sets per se, you sound a lot like you are either a marketing shill who has been brainwashed by autodesk or have some kind of vested interest in making me look ridiculous on an internet forum.




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Re: You down with OPP?
« Reply #33 on: November 18, 2009, 03:53:54 PM »
so keep using it until A) you are totally familiar with all of SSM functions
so you can see the benefits...

or B) just quit and think yourself ahead already....

let me have you go through this set of docs...which do a very fine job of explaining both the benefits and the implementation of Sheet Sets..http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/pc/item?siteID=123112&id=13785017  I think you will find Part 5 most interesting and usefull.

also note that the sheet set, can be manipulated pragmatically...so one can theoretically admin ones sheets from outside of autocad

and yes part of it is a half-baked implementation of a great idea courtesy of autodesk...
most notable being the one KEY function that they hyped upon it's initial release...a single sheet being able to be used by multiple projects, was and remains broken 5 VERSIONS later, and for this you can thank everyone on subscription...because there are no market forces causing autodesk to care that the products they sell do not work as advertised.


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Bob Wahr

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Re: You down with OPP?
« Reply #34 on: November 18, 2009, 04:32:37 PM »
I scanned over the docs, will read them in more detail and try it out.  A lot of the way both you and the documents talk about it though is so like Nigel Tufnel.  But...you can do it with sheet sets.

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Re: You down with OPP?
« Reply #35 on: November 19, 2009, 08:53:59 AM »
most notable being the one KEY function that they hyped upon it's initial release...a single sheet being able to be used by multiple projects, was and remains broken 5 VERSIONS later
The one and ONLY reason I dont use SSM.  Our projects share drawings on every single project, thus the non use.  Each release I check to see if its fixed, and then continue the old way
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Re: You down with OPP?
« Reply #36 on: November 19, 2009, 03:31:25 PM »
most notable being the one KEY function that they hyped upon it's initial release...a single sheet being able to be used by multiple projects, was and remains broken 5 VERSIONS later
The one and ONLY reason I dont use SSM.  Our projects share drawings on every single project, thus the non use.  Each release I check to see if its fixed, and then continue the old way
See what your subscription money buys you?


And they have no incentive to fix it as long as folks 'buy-in' (notice I did not say were FORCED to buy the subscription?) to the subscription program.
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Re: You down with OPP?
« Reply #37 on: November 20, 2009, 08:05:00 AM »
most notable being the one KEY function that they hyped upon it's initial release...a single sheet being able to be used by multiple projects, was and remains broken 5 VERSIONS later
The one and ONLY reason I dont use SSM.  Our projects share drawings on every single project, thus the non use.  Each release I check to see if its fixed, and then continue the old way
See what your subscription money buys you?


And they have no incentive to fix it as long as folks 'buy-in' (notice I did not say were FORCED to buy the subscription?) to the subscription program.

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