Author Topic: Profile Station Grid & Label Spacing (Read 6420 times)

dfarris75 · « **on:** September 23, 2009, 04:47:03 PM »

I'm trying to figure out how to have my major grid lines spaced @ 20' yet my major station labels spaced @ 100'. So far I haven't accomplished it (but not trying that long yet). Could I get some hints?

mjfarrell · « **Reply #1 on:** September 23, 2009, 05:11:38 PM »

All in the Profile Label Set, Major Grid Label distance, and weeding...

Oh yeah and your Band Set that you are applying to that profile view style....

mjfarrell · « **Reply #2 on:** September 23, 2009, 05:23:49 PM »

so your major grid ticks are at 20', what are your minors set at?

one could suggest you invert the Major, and minors in the profile grid style....

or you are going to set this to 20' and have NO Tick Label

then you will have to configure a band set to place the actual labels that you desire under or on top of the profile view.

mjfarrell · « **Reply #3 on:** September 23, 2009, 05:54:46 PM »

what are you attempting to accomplish graphically?

leave the major, and minors OUT of your description...

the instant you assign a distance of 20 to the MAJOR grid increment you hose your ability to use the normal profile grid labels...

so perhaps you might want to post us a little 'picture' of what you are after....and then we'll tell you how to get that particular effect in C3D?

dfarris75 · « **Reply #4 on:** September 24, 2009, 09:07:18 AM »

See attached pdf. The top is my c3d profile view that I'm working on. The bottom is dumb autocad lines and text I'm trying to mimic more or less. As you can see the major grid is spaced at 20' and minor at 10' (Oh sorry I mentioned major and minor). The labels are only every 100' though. I thought maybe in the band set I could tell it only to label every hundred feet and then I could get it to place said labels within the actual profile view, but haven't figured out how yet.

(I exaggerated the line widths of the major grids so you wouldn't have to zoom in to see them)

mjfarrell · « **Reply #5 on:** September 24, 2009, 09:18:55 AM »

OK, this, or that is what I thought you were attempting to do.
This configuration is going to require use of band sets, the label entity will be INCREMENTAL distance
you will simply have to explore the GAP distance setting (Band Set Style) for the Data Band in order to nudge it up under the profile as you desire.

OR,
the Easy way out...stack TWO profile views atop each other and use a common insertion point, one created during the Create Profile from surface operation, the second created using the Create Profile View command.

dfarris75 · « **Reply #6 on:** September 24, 2009, 09:27:54 AM »

I think I'll go with the band set option first and see where that takes me. Gracias.

I'll post the results.

mjfarrell · « **Reply #7 on:** September 24, 2009, 09:35:20 AM »

your challenge arises in that you really want to use a

Station Grid @ 100 foot interval
a Primary Grid @ 20
a Secondary Grid @ 10

and C3D does NOT have those elements in the Profvile View Style.

The band set should however meet your needs.

NOTE: Did not use the words major or minor grid?

dfarris75 · « **Reply #8 on:** September 24, 2009, 09:54:41 AM »

2008 does not appear to have the INCREMENTAL distance option...

mjfarrell · « **Reply #9 on:** September 24, 2009, 10:19:29 AM »

I see profile view Stacking..as your option...as the INSTANT you set Major Station interval in your Profile View Style
THEN you are stuck with THAT distance as the MAJOR grid increment, when really you want a Stationing Grid Increment of 100.

Time to drop back and punt...Stack them profile styles.

dfarris75 · « **Reply #10 on:** September 24, 2009, 10:43:02 AM »

That kinda sucks... Oh well...

Copying profile views is a safe procedure right? I figure it would be quicker to just copy a profile view and apply another style as opposed to creating a new view via the Profile menu.

I've copied them before and never really had trouble doing it, but you never know when C3d will decide to be temperamental.

mjfarrell · « **Reply #11 on:** September 24, 2009, 10:47:35 AM »

yes, a copy in-place would work, and then change the viewstyle, and turn off the various profile components, or change their styles in the view to a No Display style will work...
I might even be inclined to copy my alignments so that I wouldn't have to do this last step at all...
Depending on the project it might be easier to manage the extra alignments, then to remember to turn off the profiles in that view....

dfarris75 · « **Reply #12 on:** September 24, 2009, 11:04:29 AM »

Here's what I have now. I created an extra pv style as well as a band set to give me the option to OMIT (NOT SUPPRESS) the first and last stations.

I'm not sure I follow where you're going with copying the alignment...?

mjfarrell · « **Reply #13 on:** September 24, 2009, 11:17:37 AM »

well, because the profile views are dynamic...as you sample, and or create additional Vertical information along that alignment, C3D is going to ALSO draw it in the copied view, this may not work in all instances, as labels and such might get dragged around, and then you would need to drag the second one...

however if that other PV is coming from a copy of the alignment....then you wont have to contend with duplicate Profile objects in your copied PV's

Just me thinking ahead for you

dfarris75 · « **Reply #14 on:** September 24, 2009, 11:26:07 AM »

Ah I see now. Thx again.

jdensmer · « **Reply #15 on:** September 25, 2009, 11:43:03 AM »

The attached .dwg includes a profile view style that accomplishes what you're trying for. I leveraged the Top Axis Major Ticks to get the grid lines that you need - and avoids having to stack profile views.

The .pdf shows the result.

This will work for profiles that all have the same height - for example sets of profiles that are all 6, 7, 8, etc. major grids tall. You could easily have styles for the different heights you may have in the same drawing.

mjfarrell · « **Reply #16 on:** September 25, 2009, 01:06:01 PM »

The student is now the master...go Jason!

I like the way you are thinking.

dfarris75 · « **Reply #17 on:** September 26, 2009, 09:57:25 PM »

All I can say is I am at home right now. It's almost 10:00 pm and I wish I were at work so I could download and check out that dwg! Can't wait to go back to work. I'm off Monday so I have to wait til Tuesday.

THANK YOU!!!

Of course the big question I have, and likely Mike too, is why didn't I think of that?!

There is no box.

mjfarrell · « **Reply #18 on:** September 28, 2009, 09:54:44 AM »

Quote from: rustysilo on September 26, 2009, 09:57:25 PM

and likely Mike too, is why didn't I think of that?!

It's called 'target lock' sometimes we get too focused on the outcome, as to consider all methods to achieve that end state.
It really never crossed my mind to re purpose those top grid ticks in that manner.

This also validates why I strongly suggest that whenever users are setting up their styles and standards that they always work as a team.

jdensmer · « **Reply #19 on:** September 28, 2009, 10:25:03 AM »

Glad to help!

Cheers,
Jason

dfarris75 · « **Reply #20 on:** September 29, 2009, 09:10:49 AM »

Good point Mike. theswamp is a great team to have around.

dfarris75 · « **Reply #21 on:** September 29, 2009, 09:22:26 AM »

Although now that I'm at work looking at my style I am unable to achieve the same end. And I am unable to look at the sample file as I'm on '08. If I back-convert using TrueView will the styles come with?

mjfarrell · « **Reply #22 on:** September 29, 2009, 09:38:52 AM »

mjfarrell · « **Reply #23 on:** September 29, 2009, 09:43:21 AM »

what he did was utilize the top grid ticks/labels with a total grid hieght in inches...to get them to appear at the bottom of the grid
that is why Jason said he had multiple styles to hadle various Hiegths of Profile Views

..you slay me..

Quote

"if I use True Convert

....yeah right

dfarris75 · « **Reply #24 on:** September 29, 2009, 10:47:29 AM »

I didn't think it would back-convert....

Either I'm blind or '08 doesn't have the option to give the ticks a negative offset. I can change the position of the anchor and I can change the tick length, but it won't let me give a negative value.

jdensmer · « **Reply #25 on:** September 29, 2009, 10:51:45 AM »

Sorry about the format - I automatically set it up in 2010.

These screenshots show the Profile View settings - they're pretty straight forward.

dfarris75 · « **Reply #26 on:** September 29, 2009, 11:05:09 AM »

OK I've got it working now. When I made changes the display showed my 10' minor grid so I didn't see the top major ticks, but in a print preview it appears correctly. Hopefully when I actually print it I will get the same result.

Thanks again!

dfarris75 · « **Reply #27 on:** September 29, 2009, 11:09:21 AM »

You can't change the draw order of profile view objects can you?

jdensmer · « **Reply #28 on:** September 29, 2009, 11:15:21 AM »

No - you can't change the draw order.

You'd have to rely on your plot style of the Top Axis Major Ticks to "blot out" the major grid line beneath it. Looked like you were going to have the 20-ft interval grids (made with the ticks) much darker than the 10-ft grids.

It was displaying correctly on my screen, but might be working differently on yours.

mjfarrell · « **Reply #29 on:** September 29, 2009, 11:52:15 AM »

Quote from: rustysilo on September 29, 2009, 11:09:21 AM

You can't change the draw order of profile view SUB objects can you?

Actually it seems the answer is YES...only I do not know if it will hold, and or if you are willinng to

Hold Down the CTRL Key+Select the Grid Lines you want to Draw Order on.

Sadly "Select Similar" does not function in this mode

hmmmm

dfarris75 · « **Reply #30 on:** September 29, 2009, 12:58:06 PM »

So surprising. And no it doesn't hold; on screen at least. I have a feeling it will print just fine. Hopefully my feelings won't betray me.

dfarris75 · « **Reply #31 on:** September 29, 2009, 01:01:05 PM »

Works when I print to pdf. That's a good sign.

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