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Traverse PC
« on: May 18, 2009, 02:25:38 PM »
Hello,

Is there anyone here who is familiar with this software? How compatible is it with AutoCAD? Even better, can someone post a sample topo drawing that is created using this software?

Thanks a lot!

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Re: Traverse PC
« Reply #1 on: May 18, 2009, 03:02:52 PM »
A quick check of their web site would suggest that at a minimum you will need to spen $1400, to get the same functionality you already own inside C3D.

What is your desired goal, to augment or replace C3D for your Survey tasks?
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Re: Traverse PC
« Reply #2 on: May 18, 2009, 03:19:18 PM »
Michael,

We're not looking into buying this software. One survey company that we might be working with is asking if this software is acceptable to us.

Thanks.

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Re: Traverse PC
« Reply #3 on: May 18, 2009, 04:42:41 PM »
It appears to read and or write to and from DWG, and DGN.

I think that IF you specify a deliverable from these folks that includes BOTH the DWG for the features, and and XML file of the terrain model you should have no major issues using the data they produce.

Otherwise, the FILE format is of no concern to you should they be able to provide an FBK file, and or and ASCI point and fault line file for you to import into C3D.
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Re: Traverse PC
« Reply #4 on: May 19, 2009, 09:40:42 AM »
If the file isn't CAD but IS in the .dwg format, is it still Peaches to Peaches?

Or is it more like Peaches to Tangerine?

We have gotten .dwg from the Full version of AutoCAD that have things in it that our LT doesn't deal with.

Is .dwg a 'Standard' like .bmp or .jpg are?

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Re: Traverse PC
« Reply #5 on: May 19, 2009, 09:56:55 AM »
If the file isn't CAD but IS in the .dwg format, is it still Peaches to Peaches?

Or is it more like Peaches to Tangerine?

We have gotten .dwg from the Full version of AutoCAD that have things in it that our LT doesn't deal with.

Is .dwg a 'Standard' like .bmp or .jpg are?

craigr

Sadly Craig the DWG, nor the DGN file are 'standards' any longer.  As each of these software publishers have found that changing the format is a most efficient marketing scam, er scheme, I mean tool.

The other issue you speak of is a wide spread symptom of autodesk failing to ensure that all of their products are at a minimum interoperable with all of their products without need of 'enablers' or 'proxy' objects. 
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Re: Traverse PC
« Reply #6 on: May 19, 2009, 09:57:36 AM »
We have gotten .dwg from the Full version of AutoCAD that have things in it that our LT doesn't deal with.
Well that doesn't surprise me, given the fact that a full version of AutoCAD can create different objects and has more functionality.  If the DWG is saved with proxy graphics turned on, there shouldn't be any problems (other than the fact that you can't modify a proxy object - just view it).
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« Reply #7 on: May 19, 2009, 09:58:42 AM »
The other issue you speak of is a wide spread symptom of autodesk failing to ensure that all of their products are at a minimum interoperable with all of their products without need of 'enablers' or 'proxy' objects. 
But they all have the "view cube" so that's GOT TO BE WORTH SOMETHING!!  Right?  :?
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Re: Traverse PC
« Reply #8 on: May 19, 2009, 10:01:46 AM »
The other issue you speak of is a wide spread symptom of autodesk failing to ensure that all of their products are at a minimum interoperable with all of their products without need of 'enablers' or 'proxy' objects. 
But they all have the "view cube" so that's GOT TO BE WORTH SOMETHING!!  Right?  :?

I've got you're 'view cube' right here.... :lmao:
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« Reply #9 on: May 19, 2009, 10:05:22 AM »
The other issue you speak of is a wide spread symptom of autodesk failing to ensure that all of their products are at a minimum interoperable with all of their products without need of 'enablers' or 'proxy' objects. 
But they all have the "view cube" so that's GOT TO BE WORTH SOMETHING!!  Right?  :?

I've got you're 'view cube' right here.... :lmao:

                                                    ^^^^
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Re: Traverse PC
« Reply #10 on: May 19, 2009, 10:21:51 AM »
Question:

How can you use teh same file format and introduce totally new objects and functionality.. and have them work in software that had no ability to use them?

For instance, how w/could they make a dynamic block work in Autocad 2004?

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Re: Traverse PC
« Reply #11 on: May 19, 2009, 10:32:49 AM »
Question:

How can you use teh same file format and introduce totally new objects and functionality.. and have them work in software that had no ability to use them?

For instance, how w/could they make a dynamic block work in Autocad 2004?

Then maybe 'they' should stop calling it; whatever the file format is based on version a DWG file.

In answer to the backward compatibility conundrum you present; I will wait for that to be resolved until after they get the current version of ALL of their products to work together.  I will continue to breath while I wait.
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« Reply #12 on: May 19, 2009, 10:57:53 AM »
So you suggest making each release a new DWG?

Like versions accepted in R12 are a *.dwg1
2000-2004 *.dwg2
2004-2005 *.dwg3
2006 *.dwg4
2007-2009 *.dwg5

so on, so forth, as needed?

What would that solve?


In answer to the backward compatibility conundrum you present; I will wait for that to be resolved until after they get the current version of ALL of their products to work together.  I will continue to breath while I wait.

You mean like C3d to Autocad?  or Inventor to Autocad?  or C3D to Autocad Architecture?  Or MEP to Autocad?  Or Autocad Architecture to LT?

This goes back to to the dwg history point, I feel.

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« Reply #13 on: May 19, 2009, 11:19:27 AM »
So you suggest making each release a new DWG?

Like versions accepted in R12 are a *.dwg
2000-2004 *.dw2
2004-2005 *.dw3
2006 *.dw4
2007-2009 *.dw5

so on, so forth, as needed?

What would that solve?


In answer to the backward compatibility conundrum you present; I will wait for that to be resolved until after they get the current version of ALL of their products to work together.  I will continue to breath while I wait.

You mean like C3d to Autocad?  or Inventor to Autocad?  or C3D to Autocad Architecture?  Or MEP to Autocad?  Or Autocad Architecture to LT?

This goes back to to the dwg history point, I feel.

Uh, no

However by changing the extension it does diminish the expectation that the file IS compatible, given that a DWG is not always equal to a DWG.

As to the second point YES! Autodesk would save all of their customers with file compatibility issues; should they chose to concentrate on interoperability of each product where it would be reasonable to expect the products to intersect.
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Re: Traverse PC
« Reply #14 on: May 19, 2009, 11:22:53 AM »
What do you expect from the interoperability?

The electrical engineer in the back used to use LT, and often used the files the architects would send them from Architectural Desktop / Autocad Architecture, and he was able to use the floor plans fine enough to do his job.  He could manipulate the layers of the floor plan and draw over it, snapping to things as needed.

It wouldn't be right to allow him to modify Architecture objects like wall assemblies and such, because he's just using LT.

What "interoperability" is it that you see is lacking?  I guess I mean to say.. what do you mean by "where it would be reasonable to expect the products to intersect."

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« Reply #15 on: May 19, 2009, 11:27:51 AM »
Worst case scenario it appears they support a DXF export, which is/was a standard one could rely on.
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Re: Traverse PC
« Reply #16 on: May 19, 2009, 11:38:14 AM »
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« Reply #17 on: May 19, 2009, 11:44:24 AM »
If it was my post, I REALLY didn't mean to hijack this thread. (I apologize)

I was just curious about dwgs being the same from two different prgs.

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Re: Traverse PC
« Reply #18 on: May 19, 2009, 11:50:03 AM »
I was just curious about dwgs being the same from two different prgs.
There's a big difference between being the same and being compatible.  TPC claims to be able to read/write DWG/DGN files.


Is there anyone here who is familiar with this software? How compatible is it with AutoCAD? Even better, can someone post a sample topo drawing that is created using this software?
As for the original post, I think what they're looking for is, when a DWG is created from TPC, are the contours at their actual elevation or are they sitting at 0 but with a label that says (for example) 625'?
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Re: Traverse PC
« Reply #19 on: May 19, 2009, 11:56:50 AM »
Would you expect to be able to open a drawing created in r2007 with r2008 without any issues?  I had a Final Plat fully annotated in C3D 2007 that was put on hold until an adjoining phase of the development was completed.  While this phase was being completed, our office upgraded to C3D 2008 to take advantage of features that were either new or fixed and an overall increase in stability.  When it was time to finish off the Final Plat of the earlier phase, the base drawing had been converted to 2008 and at least 2 of every 3 line labels were missing and none of the curve labels had survived in usable format.
It is quite common for large residential development projects to span several years, and often the same basic information is being used in planning stages for one phase, early design in another, finishing the approval process for a different phase while being staked for construction for a phase nearing completion.
With the current release cycle and having basic elements not able to carry forward much less back to previous releases, there is a significant interoperability problem with at least this vertical application.

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« Reply #20 on: May 19, 2009, 12:03:36 PM »
When it was time to finish off the Final Plat of the earlier phase, the base drawing had been converted to 2008 and at least 2 of every 3 line labels were missing and none of the curve labels had survived in usable format.

This must have something to do with something you were doing, because we didn't have that problem.  There were some issues converting 2007 drawings to 2008, but we didn't have that problem.

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« Reply #21 on: May 19, 2009, 12:17:49 PM »
I recall much of the issue surrounded leaders and layers.  No leaders survived even on the line labels and certain labels esp. on curves translated onto odd layers.  These were all just general line and curve labels with all elements supposed to be on a single layer for plat annotation only. 

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Re: Traverse PC
« Reply #22 on: May 19, 2009, 12:49:36 PM »
Further checking reveals that this product does NOT write an XML file.

At this juncture it is adviced that they send you at least two(2) sample files so that you may discover what conversion issues you will need to overcome if any.

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« Reply #23 on: May 19, 2009, 12:53:47 PM »
If it was my post, I REALLY didn't mean to hijack this thread. (I apologize)


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Yours was a legitimate question framed from curiosity.  No harm no foul.
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