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Mark

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Google Ads, bots and the membership (2)
« on: August 18, 2008, 07:14:45 AM »
Part 2. This will happen if we allow Google Ads here at theswamp.
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Alan Cullen

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Re: Google Ads, bots and the membership (2)
« Reply #1 on: August 18, 2008, 07:35:21 AM »
Bots just put us on the map......more people will know we exist. At the moment ...just do a search for "Swamp" and see what you come up with.......nothing. I know...I have tried it. Do a search for "cad forums"...and still TheSwamp does not register.

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« Reply #2 on: August 18, 2008, 07:49:46 AM »
It depends. If I remember correctly, RR @ the Vault never let them into the forums where registration was required, purely I think, to stop the google searchers just pinching code (copy/paste) from searches.

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« Reply #3 on: August 18, 2008, 07:51:43 AM »
That is true Alan, but have you noticed how friendly it is, how people slide in to fit the groups dynamics. When loads of people find the place all at once there is a chance that we can lose the community atmosphere this place has grown to love. There is more of a chance that there will be more "members" that will enrol purely to bait the other members and cause problems for the members and make it more difficult to moderate effectively
Thanks for explaining the word "many" to me, it means a lot.

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Re: Google Ads, bots and the membership (2)
« Reply #4 on: August 18, 2008, 07:55:20 AM »
It depends. If I remember correctly, RR @ the Vault never let them into the forums where registration was required, purely I think, to stop the google searchers just pinching code (copy/paste) from searches.

the bots can not get into the areas where membership is required, thus they won't get indexed.
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« Reply #5 on: August 18, 2008, 07:58:33 AM »
So, are you saying that the proposed indexing is just for...CAD General say...and not the programming forums? Or are you going to allow Google bots to scrape the whole site?

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« Reply #6 on: August 18, 2008, 08:24:10 AM »
So, are you saying that the proposed indexing is just for...CAD General say...and not the programming forums? Or are you going to allow Google bots to scrape the whole site?

Any of the public forums will/can be indexed as it stands. We can change that (to a degree) if we want to.
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Alan Cullen

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« Reply #7 on: August 18, 2008, 08:29:27 AM »
That is true Alan, but have you noticed how friendly it is, how people slide in to fit the groups dynamics. When loads of people find the place all at once there is a chance that we can lose the community atmosphere this place has grown to love. There is more of a chance that there will be more "members" that will enrol purely to bait the other members and cause problems for the members and make it more difficult to moderate effectively

Tracy talks very true here. Having been there and seen this happen before......and something we have to watch very closely.

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Re: Google Ads, bots and the membership (2)
« Reply #8 on: August 18, 2008, 08:58:31 AM »
True, Tracey......but remember what you told me the second time I came back here.......

"Alan, just keep your mouth shut and say nothing......if 'they' step out of line, the members here will deal with them very quickly".

And that was exactly what happened. So....I can't really see a problem......

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Re: Google Ads, bots and the membership (2)
« Reply #9 on: August 18, 2008, 09:24:56 AM »
There is a significant amount of information on the web pointing to theswamp as a resource for AutoCAD users and it is evidenced by the number of members we currently have. In a few short years we have gained many insightful and well rounded people ... and a few whack jobs too ... the point is, the kind of people we want here will continue to come here and this will provide sustainable membership.

Indexing theswamp will do more harm than good due to the number of people who will do a search, find the resource, grab it without any regard to the community we have created here.

I have already found code that I posted here (and only here) on indexed sites in China, Russia, Brazil, France, Italy and others. Not that I don't want others to be able to use the code ... if that were the case, I would not have posted it. Indexing theswamp will increase the number of people who come here, grab content, and then go post it on their "home" forum thus while increasing membership it will likely lower the overall quality of the membership.

If you want to index theswamp, then index only a landing page, just to put theswamp into the system. People will find it and those with enough interest will register and likely will become a valuable member.

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« Reply #10 on: August 18, 2008, 04:21:34 PM »
It is my understanding that the primary goal of the swamp is to aid and educate CAD users/programmers, not just "our sort" of CAD users/programmers.  If someone is having a problem and the solution was here, it would sure be nice if they had a way to find it.

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« Reply #11 on: August 18, 2008, 07:45:50 PM »

yes, it would.

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Re: Google Ads, bots and the membership (2)
« Reply #12 on: August 18, 2008, 11:11:13 PM »
It is my understanding that the primary goal of the swamp is to aid and educate CAD users/programmers, not just "our sort" of CAD users/programmers.  If someone is having a problem and the solution was here, it would sure be nice if they had a way to find it.

I agree

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Re: Google Ads, bots and the membership (2)
« Reply #13 on: August 19, 2008, 12:11:02 AM »
It is my understanding that the primary goal of the swamp is to aid and educate CAD users/programmers, not just "our sort" of CAD users/programmers.  If someone is having a problem and the solution was here, it would sure be nice if they had a way to find it.

My understanding of the existence of The  Swamp is or was to provide an alternate to the corprate controlled and censored site.
They can claim to be independent all they want however the truth is they are not or the ground rules a member must agree to when joining would not prohibit anyone one from expressing an opinion that is negative towards their corporate master, that in the end controls and decides their fate, even after the intruction of the marking tool known as solidvapor to the mix.

I think we can remain strong and grow even stronger without needing to be enslaved by some form of corporate servitude and the conditions and constraints imposed by taking that route.

Perhaps any of this discussion would be best added to the terms of membership, make it clear that the site is user supported and maintained and provide very easy links to donate. From experience I was here quite a while before I knew I could donate, and even if I would. Then I discovered how good the site is, and felt compelled to donate to keep it free of those influences.
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Re: Google Ads, bots and the membership (2)
« Reply #14 on: August 19, 2008, 08:59:44 AM »
It is my understanding that the primary goal of the swamp is to aid and educate CAD users/programmers, not just "our sort" of CAD users/programmers.  If someone is having a problem and the solution was here, it would sure be nice if they had a way to find it.

My understanding of the existence of The  Swamp is or was to provide an alternate to the corprate controlled and censored site.

I think that may just be a symptom or byproduct... I've -never- been under the impression that this was a 'goal'.

One thing that I wonder about... is it still "bandwidth" that people end up paying for?  Isn't that what the cost is?

If so, if you try out ads... seems to me that there'd be no going back... if indexing/ads brings many new members via search engine... and bandwidth usage shoots up, you won't be able to go back to 'the way it was' because the membership would be beyond what it is now... so it's a one way decision it seems, lest you introduce a paid "ad free" service or something complicated like that.