at least you didn't call us artichokes . . .
well, sometimes I think that you guys are... Do you know how many times I get some bad design and I catch it when we are going to lay it out. I notify the engineer and he/she says "can't you make it work?!?"
You know I had a conversation with a LSIT last year whom insisted that he NOT learn any of the C3D design tools, "because I am going to be a surveyor, and that stuff is engineering."
I tried so very hard to get this young man to understand that knowledge of design would ultimately make him a better Surveyor. However my efforts were to no avail.