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rude dog

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« on: July 07, 2004, 03:41:22 PM »
:evil: Does anyone else get annoyed when a drawing is saved without doing a zoom extents on the puppy first . I also get annoyed when I open a drawing and layer "0" was not set current....or.....how bout this one.....when layer zero's native white color has been changed to some god awful color....PHEW I needed to get that off my chest  :)
does anyone else feel the same....or am I just being labeled a trouble maker again?

Craig

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« Reply #1 on: July 07, 2004, 03:57:58 PM »
Oh, I agree rude!  This prolly could have been put in The Vent forum but anywho, what I hate as much is when the plot sheets are saved in MS and not PS.

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« Reply #2 on: July 07, 2004, 04:19:19 PM »
I frequently save my drawings when they are not zoomed extents, but I must qualify that by stating that this is when I finish working on a drawing for a time and need to come back to it. It allows me to "remember" where I left off....

As far as the layer is concerned, I don't worry about which is current, I generally purge all layers when closing a drawing, and my housekeeping routines help maintain layer standards so which layer is current typically is not a concern.
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« Reply #3 on: July 07, 2004, 04:29:53 PM »
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:evil: Does anyone else get annoyed when a drawing is saved without doing a zoom extents on the puppy first .


I agree.  I have a menu item I call [Wrap it up!] Pspace;Zoom;All;Qsave;Close;  I supose you could and a purge all in there.

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« Reply #4 on: July 07, 2004, 04:38:01 PM »
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I agree.  I have a menu item I call [Wrap it up!] Pspace;Zoom;All;Qsave;Close;  I supose you could and a purge all in there.


Yeah have the same thing.... kinda

^C^Cz;e;-layer;S;0;;-purge all  no;_qsave;

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« Reply #5 on: July 07, 2004, 04:51:03 PM »
Quote from: rude dog
:evil: Does anyone else get annoyed when a drawing is saved without doing a zoom extents on the puppy first . I also get annoyed when I open a drawing and layer "0" was not set current....or.....how bout this one.....when layer zero's native white color has been changed to some god awful color....PHEW I needed to get that off my chest  :)
does anyone else feel the same....or am I just being labeled a trouble maker again?


Being labeled a trouble maker isn't a problem is it???? :shock:

but....

....ummm

at the ...um risk of....   :horror:

We plot from a page setup from the layout tab for each drawing and hardly ever zoom extents prior to closing the file.  We usually just leave it where it was worked on last.  

Same with the layer.  Is there any real advantage to setting the layer to 0 before leaving??

And as far as purging goes, we don't until archival.

t-bear

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« Reply #6 on: July 07, 2004, 04:58:26 PM »
We have a routine that sets to PS, zooms extents, q-saves and closes.  It's a bit neater to open in PS at extents, especially with xrefs and vports....yuo can see the whole sheet and know which environment you're in..... Layers? whatever........  you're guaranteed to have to change layers to work if it opens to "0".... one extra step opening AND closing.

nivuahc

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« Reply #7 on: July 07, 2004, 05:15:12 PM »
Here's what I use, based on some ideas I got from a thread on this board:

Code: [Select]
(defun c:qc (/)
  (vl-Load-Com)
  (vl-Catch-All-Apply
    '(lambda ()
       (vla-Remove
(vla-GetExtensionDictionary
  (vla-Get-Layers
    (vla-Get-ActiveDocument
      (vlax-Get-Acad-Object)
    )
  )
)
"ACAD_LAYERFILTERS"
       )
     )
  )

  (setvar "cmdecho" 0)
  (setq A (reverse (dictsearch (namedobjdict) "ACAD_GROUP")))
  (while (setq B (cdr (assoc 350 A)))
    (setq C (entget B))
    (setq D (assoc 340 C))
    (if (= D nil)
      (entdel B)
    )
    (setq A (cdr (cdr A)))
  )

  (setvar "cmdecho" 0)
  (command "-dimstyle" "r" "standard")
  (setvar "TEXTSTYLE" "standard")
  (setvar "CLAYER" "0")
  (command "-purge" "a" "*" "n")
  (command "-purge" "a" "*" "n")
  (command "-purge" "a" "*" "n")
  (command "qsave")
  (princ)
  (princ
    "\nAll layer filters have been deleted, all empty groups have been deleted and everything else has been purged. Drawing has been saved."
  )
  (princ)
)


On average, at least in my experience, it reduces a drawing file size by about half.

But I can't take credit for it, I stole/chopped/copied/pasted that together. :P

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« Reply #8 on: July 07, 2004, 06:14:02 PM »
We don't use layer zero at all (with the exception of blocks) nor do we use paperspace. Anyone who does will be choked out.

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« Reply #9 on: July 07, 2004, 06:15:26 PM »
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We don't use layer zero at all (with the exception of blocks) nor do we use paperspace. Anyone who does will be choked out.


You print from model space......ewwww!

TR

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« Reply #10 on: July 07, 2004, 08:12:42 PM »
What's wrong with printing from modelspace?

CADaver

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« Reply #11 on: July 07, 2004, 11:06:05 PM »
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What's wrong with printing from modelspace?
Lesee:

1.) Differently scaled pictures on the same drawing is a royal PITB for annotation and plotting.

2.) Impossible to plot different views of the same 3D model on the same plot.

3.) Layer control by viewport is impossible

4.) Multiple sheets can't be plotted at the same time from one drawing file.

5.) Plotting scale changes with every drawing

6.) No ability for irregular viewports to clip out extraneous data.

and that's just off the top of my head.  Basically it would cost us about 20% of our productivity.

Now my question; why not use LAYOUTs?

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« Reply #12 on: July 07, 2004, 11:18:24 PM »
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Quote from: Tim Riley
What's wrong with printing from modelspace?
Lesee:

1.) Differently scaled pictures on the same drawing is a royal PITB for annotation and plotting.

2.) Impossible to plot different views of the same 3D model on the same plot.

3.) Layer control by viewport is impossible

4.) Multiple sheets can't be plotted at the same time from one drawing file.

5.) Plotting scale changes with every drawing

6.) No ability for irregular viewports to clip out extraneous data.

and that's just off the top of my head.  Basically it would cost us about 20% of our productivity.

Now my question; why not use LAYOUTs?


Now first let me say that before I start another debate, that I am simply being devil's advocate for a minute.....

1.) Modelspace contains only 2d data, different views are not required

2.) Title block is defined in MS thus allowing the user to be assured the object will fit in the desired plotting scale properly

3.) You are using R1x and A2kx (paperspace was a real PITB before R14)

4.) Your drawings are all inclusive and all layers are plotted at the same time

5.) Extraneous data is not in the drawing (extraneous meaning not needed for that particular plan)

6.) The client is stupid and never learned PS, so requires everything in MS

Ok, that is a few I thought of at the moment....incedently ... PS is very easy to work with once you understand the positives and negatives of both PS and MS.... you might decide you like it....Ok, I will not post on this subject again.....
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« Reply #13 on: July 08, 2004, 12:01:27 AM »
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1.) Differently scaled pictures on the same drawing is a royal PITB for annotation and plotting.

We draw everything 1 to 1 and then scale the title block accordingly. The only exception to this is the occasional 2x or 4x detail, and for that we have different dimstyles set up. Not that scale makes a difference anyhow. Everything we make is cut with either a plasma cutter or cnc machine from dxf files we export. As long as the drawing is 1 to 1 the piece will come out correct.
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2.) Impossible to plot different views of the same 3D model on the same plot.

We don't use 3D. The people here are too old.
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3.) Layer control by viewport is impossible

We only use 1 viewport.
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4.) Multiple sheets can't be plotted at the same time from one drawing file.

It doesn't matter. Each sheet is automatically plotted from our document management system based on values entered in our transmittal forms. The lady in the print room wouldn't care if it opens a thousand drawings and plots them.
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5.) Plotting scale changes with every drawing

What's wrong with that?
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6.) No ability for irregular viewports to clip out extraneous data.

We only use 1 viewport.
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Now my question; why not use LAYOUTs?

I don't see a need to. The way we do things now works out quite well.

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« Reply #14 on: July 08, 2004, 07:18:02 AM »
Quote from: Keith
Now first let me say that before I start another debate, that I am simply being devil's advocate for a minute.....

1.) Modelspace contains only 2d data, different views are not required
"Your" modelspace contains only 2D data, is what I assume you mean.  But even then, how do you handle a plan that spans multiple drawings?

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2.) Title block is defined in MS thus allowing the user to be assured the object will fit in the desired plotting scale properly
What doesn't fit is ... what?  Viewports are zoomed to scale, indicating what will fit in a 1:1 border.  What doesn't fit is placed in another viewport on another layout tab.

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3.) You are using R1x and A2kx (paperspace was a real PITB before R14)
We've been using it effectively since R11.  It gets better with each release.

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4.) Your drawings are all inclusive and all layers are plotted at the same time
I assume you mean "your" drawings plot all the layers all the time.  Ours will show different aspects of the same model in different viewports.

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5.) Extraneous data is not in the drawing (extraneous meaning not needed for that particular plan)
Correct, it's needed in the detail to the right of the plan.

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6.) The client is stupid and never learned PS, so requires everything in MS
Not a fault with PS, but rather with the client.

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Ok, that is a few I thought of at the moment....incedently ... PS is very easy to work with once you understand the positives and negatives of both PS and MS.... you might decide you like it....
If it fits your needs.

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Ok, I will not post on this subject again.....
That's a bet  :)