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Title: PDF
Post by: Bethrine on May 06, 2015, 11:19:30 AM
Okay, I am fairly new to PDF's. I have exported them from .dwg's before but it has always been set up correctly by someone else. In the PDF the top and right side of my drawing is cut off by just enough to be annoying. There are lots of ways to try and fix this, any advice on which way to do it and why?
Title: Re: PDF
Post by: Rob... on May 06, 2015, 11:25:09 AM
Check you list of paper sizes to see if there is a Full Bleed option.
Title: Re: PDF
Post by: mjfarrell on May 06, 2015, 11:35:03 AM
Check Paper Sizes INKED AREA LIMITS

give yourself a nice 1/2" border all around...

Then make sure your title block fits inside that dashed line on the layout...Inked Area Limits...

Set the Named Page Setup to use that PDF and plot LAYOUT and all should by swimming.
Title: Re: PDF
Post by: Bethrine on May 06, 2015, 11:41:01 AM
I used the below steps. Since all I did was change margins, should plot to scale as usual.  :yes: It looks wrong in the layout but the PDF is beautiful. I saved it as new so I did not overwrite any original program paper set-ups.

FYI, I made my own name up.
Title: Re: PDF
Post by: Bethrine on May 06, 2015, 11:52:02 AM
Nope, it changed my scale.  :glaresad:
Title: Re: PDF
Post by: Bethrine on May 06, 2015, 12:04:02 PM
Okay, now I'm really confused...I made the paper size bigger and the print on paper got smaller. Why would it be inverse?  :woow:
Title: Re: PDF
Post by: ronjonp on May 06, 2015, 12:07:16 PM
FWIW .. I've had great success using the DWG To PDF.pc3 driver included with AutoCAD. The only way your scale should change based on papersize is if you have 'Plot scale' set to fit .. which you should never do if you want a scaled drawing.


Do like Rob suggested and use the "full bleed" sizes.
Title: Re: PDF
Post by: mjfarrell on May 06, 2015, 12:24:51 PM
Actually...Use the EXACT page dimensions

11x17 inches IF that is what you are after - your print got smaller because you tried to fit more on the 'paper' that there is paper....

Pick exact page size, then set INKED AREA limits....
Print  LAYOUT

there is no need to use "FULL BLEED" as most printers in most offices  can NOT print all the way to the edges with no margins....
Title: Re: PDF
Post by: ronjonp on May 06, 2015, 12:31:51 PM
Okay, now I'm really confused...I made the paper size bigger and the print on paper got smaller. Why would it be inverse?  :woow:
Because your papersize is bigger and you're still plotting 1:1 .. so relative to the larger papersize it's smaller. Why are you creating an odd papersize?
Title: Re: PDF
Post by: mjfarrell on May 06, 2015, 12:42:17 PM
see attached

viewport is inside border...which is just inside inked area limits...
set viewport scale correctly... plot will be correct...

also beware when printing the PDF that you do not check FIT or SCALE  use actual size
Title: Re: PDF
Post by: Bethrine on May 06, 2015, 12:43:52 PM
Okay, now I'm really confused...I made the paper size bigger and the print on paper got smaller. Why would it be inverse?  :woow:
Because your papersize is bigger and your still plotting 1:1 .. so relative to the larger papersize it's smaller. Why are you creating an odd papersize?

Gah...muddled it up with drawing size. Nvmd. Resetting to 11 x 17.

INKED AREA limits....

How?

I am plotting to Layout. Annoys me to plot to anything else though occasionally I do use Window in model space.
Title: Re: PDF
Post by: ronjonp on May 06, 2015, 12:48:37 PM
Just use full bleed size .. why change an existing papersize to mimic one that's already provided?  :)
Title: Re: PDF
Post by: Bethrine on May 06, 2015, 12:53:48 PM
These are using mj's settings:
Title: Re: PDF
Post by: mjfarrell on May 06, 2015, 12:54:55 PM
See PS2 from above.... (Printable Area)  formerly known as Inked area Limits...


you may need to enable seeing the dashed line on your layout tab...under Options

Titleblock math is as follows...

IF  Page Size is 11x17
AND Printable area (margins ar .5" each side) Printable area will be 10x16

AND your border has a THICK pen - Add those pen thickness and then make your titleblock smallthan inked limits or the pen width will be chopped off....

so actual border will need to be appx 9.7x15.7 if you have 0.2 lineweight for outer line of titleblock

Title: Re: PDF
Post by: Bethrine on May 06, 2015, 12:57:42 PM
here's ronjon's
Title: Re: PDF
Post by: Bethrine on May 06, 2015, 01:01:16 PM
Did I mention that the current settings print perfectly on our printer? Those same settings do NOT work to print OR export to PDF with the driver I am using (see pics in previous posts).

...attempting mj's latest advice...
Title: Re: PDF
Post by: Bethrine on May 06, 2015, 01:02:37 PM
 :?
Title: Re: PDF
Post by: Bethrine on May 06, 2015, 01:08:21 PM
Re-opened the dwg. Dashed line is back.
Title: Re: PDF
Post by: mjfarrell on May 06, 2015, 01:16:46 PM
see attached
Title: Re: PDF
Post by: Bethrine on May 06, 2015, 01:20:07 PM
Prints fine to printer. This is what I get in the PDF.

 (11X17) default settings
Title: Re: PDF
Post by: mjfarrell on May 06, 2015, 01:25:36 PM
Prints fine to printer. This is what I get in the PDF.

 (11X17) default settings

check your printable area....it should .5 all around
Title: Re: PDF
Post by: Bethrine on May 06, 2015, 01:26:48 PM
I did not change any settings. I just plotted mj's drawing:
Title: Re: PDF
Post by: ronjonp on May 06, 2015, 01:38:30 PM
Why don't you post a sample drawing with your titleblock in it?
Title: Re: PDF
Post by: mjfarrell on May 06, 2015, 01:40:17 PM
did you set the page setup current?

in the clip posted it says NONE

it should have the one I made set current
Title: Re: PDF
Post by: Bethrine on May 06, 2015, 01:42:07 PM
did you set the page setup current?

in the clip posted it says NONE

it should have the one I made set current

double checking.

That is not 1 : 1...?
Title: Re: PDF
Post by: Bethrine on May 06, 2015, 01:43:50 PM
Why don't you post a sample drawing with your titleblock in it?

I can but I have to get all info out of it (confidentiality clause) and I am uncertain how to accomplish that without missing something.  :cry:
Title: Re: PDF
Post by: mjfarrell on May 06, 2015, 01:44:10 PM
and what you got going on here?   
Title: Re: PDF
Post by: Rob... on May 06, 2015, 01:45:31 PM
So, have you tried the full bleed paper size?
Title: Re: PDF
Post by: mjfarrell on May 06, 2015, 01:45:39 PM
did you set the page setup current?

in the clip posted it says NONE

it should have the one I made set current

double checking.

That is not 1 : 1...?
dont sweat that at this point
Title: Re: PDF
Post by: mjfarrell on May 06, 2015, 01:48:29 PM
respectfully "Full Bleed" is a red herring....

In all my years plotting from autocad starting in 1984 no printer I have ever needed to configure for
was ever capable of "FULL BLEED" , nor has any place I worked for set their title blocks up to place a dark black line at the extreme edge of the paper.
I would go so far as to say that EVERY plot I have ever done has ha a margin.
Title: Re: PDF
Post by: Bethrine on May 06, 2015, 01:50:26 PM
So, have you tried the full bleed paper size?

Yes.
Title: Re: PDF
Post by: Rob... on May 06, 2015, 01:52:05 PM
Why have two sets of margins? The title block already plots within the margins of the plotter. Get rid of the margin issue in the paper size. Problem solved.
Title: Re: PDF
Post by: Bethrine on May 06, 2015, 01:56:25 PM
Why have two sets of margins? The title block already plots within the margins of the plotter. Get rid of the margin issue in the paper size. Problem solved.

I have not changed any default settings for any ANSI sizes. The margins for the full bleed plot to pdf are default. If I make a change I do it under custom paper sizes and label it with my initials.
Title: Re: PDF
Post by: Bethrine on May 06, 2015, 01:58:06 PM
that .03 is default. I've only pulled it up for reference.
Title: Re: PDF
Post by: ronjonp on May 06, 2015, 02:00:13 PM
I'm having trouble figuring out what we are trying to solve now.
Title: Re: PDF
Post by: Rob... on May 06, 2015, 02:01:05 PM
that .03 is default. I've only pulled it up for reference.

It was a rhetorical question not really directed at you.

Does the PDF print properly with the full bleed paper size?
Title: Re: PDF
Post by: Bethrine on May 06, 2015, 02:04:08 PM
that .03 is default. I've only pulled it up for reference.

It was a rhetorical question not really directed at you.

Does the PDF print properly with the full bleed paper size?

No. It does print the whole thing but the margins are tiny at the bottom left and very wide up top and right. On the regular paper it cuts off the top and right lines. I think mj is close...I would like to center it on regular paper so I don't have to explain what I did, it just looks and prints correct. I'm still "green" here. 
Title: Re: PDF
Post by: Bethrine on May 06, 2015, 02:05:16 PM
I'm having trouble figuring out what we are trying to solve now.

lol...I'm going back and forth myself. I have to keep all of this straight or my settings will end up very confusing.  :-D
Title: Re: PDF
Post by: ronjonp on May 06, 2015, 02:06:46 PM
I get it now .. look at your Plot offset numbers in the lower left corner .. they should not be zeroes unless you have something defining the full extents of the paper. I personally plot to 'extents' then check the option 'center the plot'.
Title: Re: PDF
Post by: Bethrine on May 06, 2015, 02:07:39 PM
and what you got going on here?

Shouldn't I be able to change the default output device in options? that's just what will automatically pop up when I go to plot unless I change it, isn't it? The other is the same as your pic, mj.
Title: Re: PDF
Post by: Bethrine on May 06, 2015, 02:08:28 PM
I get it now .. look at your Plot offset numbers in the lower left corner .. they should not be zeroes unless you have something defining the full extents of the paper.

of the pdf?
Title: Re: PDF
Post by: ronjonp on May 06, 2015, 02:10:01 PM
I get it now .. look at your Plot offset numbers in the lower left corner .. they should not be zeroes unless you have something defining the full extents of the paper.

of the pdf?

Title: Re: PDF
Post by: mjfarrell on May 06, 2015, 02:19:55 PM
actually the plot offset number should be zeros....

IF you have set your title block/border and inked area limits correctly...or you are using some b@stard printer that forces you to use an offset
however typically for PDF NO offsets are required
Title: Re: PDF
Post by: mjfarrell on May 06, 2015, 02:26:02 PM
keep in mind that 0,0 in paperspace can be (should be) intersection of printable area...or if you cant do that mathedge of paper check in  options

in my world I find printable area easier to use than edge of paper....create your border block accordingly...
and expect some shifting to occur when you set your named page setup current....
Title: Re: PDF
Post by: ronjonp on May 06, 2015, 02:26:14 PM
actually the plot offset number should be zeros....

IF you have set your title block/border and inked area limits correctly.
Exactly .. me thinks this is not the case. The example you provided does not either if you 'Apply to Layout'.
Title: Re: PDF
Post by: mjfarrell on May 06, 2015, 02:27:15 PM
actually the plot offset number should be zeros....

IF you have set your title block/border and inked area limits correctly.
Exactly .. me thinks this is not the case. The example you provided does not either if you 'Apply to Layout'.
it works here...
Title: Re: PDF
Post by: ronjonp on May 06, 2015, 02:37:07 PM
Cannot set your pagesetup to current .. does not like it because it's missing a defined ctb.
Title: Re: PDF
Post by: mjfarrell on May 06, 2015, 02:47:28 PM
interesting it is using the NONE ctb...???

here it is with the bone stock acad.ctb
Title: Re: PDF
Post by: Bethrine on May 06, 2015, 02:47:42 PM
Okay, I remember setting paper size and printable area but that was a long time ago. I am perfectly capable of math. Suddenly it makes more sense...if I set margins to .5 all around and Plot Offset to 0,0 it will / should show if my printable area is sized and / or located properly. Is that correct?
Title: Re: PDF
Post by: mjfarrell on May 06, 2015, 02:48:53 PM
yes
Title: Re: PDF
Post by: ronjonp on May 06, 2015, 02:52:10 PM
interesting it is using the NONE ctb... :?

here it is with the bone stock acad.ctb
This is what I see when I open your first example (assuming you had already set the setup to current).
Title: Re: PDF
Post by: Bethrine on May 06, 2015, 02:55:46 PM
That is a 1" x 1" square through a 1 : 1 viewport.

Printing...
Title: Re: PDF
Post by: Bethrine on May 06, 2015, 02:58:34 PM
The border is not where I want it but my square comes out at less then 1/32" short of an inch in both x and y directions.
Title: Re: PDF
Post by: Bethrine on May 06, 2015, 03:01:24 PM
Lunch break be back in 30. Feel free to discuss.
Title: Re: PDF
Post by: mjfarrell on May 06, 2015, 03:17:47 PM
The border is not where I want it but my square comes out at less then 1/32" short of an inch in both x and y directions.
b sure the pdf is NOT scaling or FIT-ting  must chose ACTUAL SIZE

some were not doing that correctly here and were complaining about drawings being scaled when plotted
Title: Re: PDF
Post by: mjfarrell on May 06, 2015, 03:19:39 PM
interesting it is using the NONE ctb... :?

here it is with the bone stock acad.ctb
This is what I see when I open your first example (assuming you had already set the setup to current).
see here   http://www.theswamp.org/index.php?topic=49403.msg545130#msg545130 (http://www.theswamp.org/index.php?topic=49403.msg545130#msg545130)

no offsets in my page setup
Title: Re: PDF
Post by: ronjonp on May 06, 2015, 03:23:27 PM
FWIW .. here's how our titleblock is constructed. It has a border the size of the paper that does not plot so the titleblock always has equal bottom, top & right margins then the left margin is a little bigger for binding. It's inserted\xref on each tab @ 0,0 and plotted by layout or extents ... either works.
Title: Re: PDF
Post by: ronjonp on May 06, 2015, 03:25:10 PM
interesting it is using the NONE ctb... :?

here it is with the bone stock acad.ctb
This is what I see when I open your first example (assuming you had already set the setup to current).
see here   http://www.theswamp.org/index.php?topic=49403.msg545130#msg545130 (http://www.theswamp.org/index.php?topic=49403.msg545130#msg545130)

no offsets in my page setup
Yup .. saw that. Your page size is not 11x17 either (name of the setup).
Title: Re: PDF
Post by: mjfarrell on May 06, 2015, 03:33:16 PM
interesting it is using the NONE ctb... :?

here it is with the bone stock acad.ctb
This is what I see when I open your first example (assuming you had already set the setup to current).
see here   http://www.theswamp.org/index.php?topic=49403.msg545130#msg545130 (http://www.theswamp.org/index.php?topic=49403.msg545130#msg545130)

no offsets in my page setup
Yup .. saw that. Your page size is not 11x17 either (name of the setup).
noted and fixed that @ 2nd posting of the file (Sample.dwg)

The point being the process works as described.
Title: Re: PDF
Post by: Bethrine on May 06, 2015, 03:34:42 PM
The border is not where I want it but my square comes out at less then 1/32" short of an inch in both x and y directions.
b sure the pdf is NOT scaling or FIT-ting  must chose ACTUAL SIZE

some were not doing that correctly here and were complaining about drawings being scaled when plotted

How do I get to that window?
Title: Re: PDF
Post by: mjfarrell on May 06, 2015, 03:34:58 PM
FWIW .. here's how our titleblock is constructed. It has a border the size of the paper that does not plot so the titleblock always has equal bottom, top & right margins then the left margin is a little bigger for binding. It's inserted\xref on each tab @ 0,0 and plotted by layout or extents ... either works.
current version of the now archaic Plot Dots method popular in ACAD r3.5
Title: Re: PDF
Post by: mjfarrell on May 06, 2015, 03:35:49 PM
The border is not where I want it but my square comes out at less then 1/32" short of an inch in both x and y directions.
b sure the pdf is NOT scaling or FIT-ting  must chose ACTUAL SIZE

some were not doing that correctly here and were complaining about drawings being scaled when plotted

How do I get to that window?
that's the window we see when plotting PDF to printer
Title: Re: PDF
Post by: ronjonp on May 06, 2015, 03:39:34 PM
FWIW .. here's how our titleblock is constructed. It has a border the size of the paper that does not plot so the titleblock always has equal bottom, top & right margins then the left margin is a little bigger for binding. It's inserted\xref on each tab @ 0,0 and plotted by layout or extents ... either works.
current version of the now archaic Plot Dots method popular in ACAD r3.5
It works .. archaic or not. Plus it's simple .. there's something to be said about simplicity.
Title: Re: PDF
Post by: Bethrine on May 06, 2015, 03:41:35 PM
Is this what I'm looking for?
Title: Re: PDF
Post by: Bethrine on May 06, 2015, 03:58:32 PM
I got it to print correctly and at scale.  :yay!:

I am still using full bleed paper setting and adjusting x and y in plot offset but it does print.  :yes:

Figure while I'm here, I'm going to look up how to set paper-space plot stuff so I can print without the two adjustments above.
Title: Re: PDF
Post by: mjfarrell on May 06, 2015, 03:59:25 PM
Is this what I'm looking for?
yes...and turn that fitting off!
Title: Re: PDF
Post by: mjfarrell on May 06, 2015, 04:00:32 PM

Figure while I'm here, I'm going to look up how to set paper-space plot stuff so I can print without the two adjustments above.

The whole time I was giving you directions for PAPERSPACE!   K&@P
Title: Re: PDF
Post by: Bethrine on May 06, 2015, 04:04:23 PM

Figure while I'm here, I'm going to look up how to set paper-space plot stuff so I can print without the two adjustments above.

The whole time I was giving you directions for PAPERSPACE!   K&@P

 :oops: What am I missing here? I plotted that from paper space and if it wasn't for you I wouldn't have gotten this far. What Imean is I want to set the margins and origin of my printing window to fit the paper. (Hope I don't send you into a complete fit. lol   :lol:)
Title: Re: PDF
Post by: ronjonp on May 06, 2015, 04:07:07 PM

..
Figure while I'm here, I'm going to look up how to set paper-space plot stuff so I can print without the two adjustments above.
Take a look (http://www.theswamp.org/index.php?topic=49403.msg545173#msg545173) at the 'archaic' method ...
Title: Re: PDF
Post by: Bethrine on May 06, 2015, 04:07:38 PM
Actually...Use the EXACT page dimensions

11x17 inches IF that is what you are after - your print got smaller because you tried to fit more on the 'paper' that there is paper....

Pick exact page size, then set INKED AREA limits....
Print  LAYOUT

there is no need to use "FULL BLEED" as most printers in most offices  can NOT print all the way to the edges with no margins....

still can't find inked area limits.

been printing layout and using exact 11 x 17 paper size...still won't print a normal ANSI B. even with plot offset set to 0,0 and 0 margins.
Title: Re: PDF
Post by: Bethrine on May 06, 2015, 04:07:58 PM

..
Figure while I'm here, I'm going to look up how to set paper-space plot stuff so I can print without the two adjustments above.
Take a look at the 'archaic' method ...

Doing that now...
Title: Re: PDF
Post by: Bethrine on May 06, 2015, 04:18:50 PM
I am not seeing the border on the edge of the paper and when I attempt to plot, well...

I think you had it right when you said the print area in relation to the paper is incorrect.
Title: Re: PDF
Post by: Bethrine on May 06, 2015, 04:20:24 PM


<...why'd he have to ask for PDF's?? Ugh.>
Title: Re: PDF
Post by: mjfarrell on May 06, 2015, 04:24:47 PM


<...why'd he have to ask for PDF's?? Ugh.>
so you could learn a new skill
Title: Re: PDF
Post by: Bethrine on May 06, 2015, 04:28:09 PM
mj may have mentioned this but, trying this:
Title: Re: PDF
Post by: Bethrine on May 06, 2015, 04:28:51 PM


<...why'd he have to ask for PDF's?? Ugh.>
so you could learn a new skill

Think he knew it would take me a ...while...?  :oops:
Title: Re: PDF
Post by: ronjonp on May 06, 2015, 04:43:24 PM
I am not seeing the border on the edge of the paper and when I attempt to plot, well...

I think you had it right when you said the print area in relation to the paper is incorrect.
It's set to dashdot and to not plot. Why would you want to see it? Most printers cannot print it. The actual titleblock will always be a set distance from the edge of the paper.


I'm out for the day...

Title: Re: PDF
Post by: Bethrine on May 06, 2015, 04:47:24 PM
I am not seeing the border on the edge of the paper and when I attempt to plot, well...

I think you had it right when you said the print area in relation to the paper is incorrect.
It's set to dashdot and to not plot. Why would you want to see it? Most printers cannot print it. The actual titleblock will always be a set distance from the edge of the paper.


I'm out for the day...

Because I'm trying to understand it.

Have a good evening and thank you for your help!
Title: Re: PDF
Post by: mjfarrell on May 06, 2015, 04:49:59 PM
I did...

looks like ronjon use the other paperspace origin (edge of paper)
personally I wish autodesk would have NEVER added that setting
it allows for lazy practices
Title: Re: PDF
Post by: Bethrine on May 06, 2015, 04:52:17 PM
Der. I wasn't going to apply settings until I "got it right". <I really need that head into brick wall emoticon right now>

Once I did, now I see that the printable area for the pdf "printer" is smaller than the one for my usual printer.  :crazy2: So. If I want a scaled drawing to come out correct for both, I need to make my titleblock smaller and fit layouts within the smaller one.

QUESTION: If I get it to print at scale in the PDF, will it print that way on any printer (assuming the person on the other end knows what they're doing?)
Title: Re: PDF
Post by: Bethrine on May 06, 2015, 05:00:34 PM
yup
Title: Re: PDF
Post by: Bethrine on May 06, 2015, 05:07:05 PM
QUESTION: If I get it to print at scale in the PDF, will it print that way on any printer (assuming the person on the other end knows what they're doing?)

I learned a ton though!
Title: Re: PDF
Post by: Bethrine on May 06, 2015, 05:11:08 PM
and why will it print on full bleed but not on ANSI B? the physical paper is the same paper and the printer is the same printer. Why does it change the printable area for these? Nvmd, answered my own question.

How do you change the printable area? (If you say INK SPACE again mj, please show me where to find it.  :angel:)
Title: Re: PDF
Post by: mjfarrell on May 06, 2015, 05:18:38 PM
and why will it print on full bleed but not on ANSI B? the physical paper is the same paper and the printer is the same printer. Why does it change the printable area for these? Nvmd, answered my own question.

How do you change the printable area? (If you say INK SPACE again mj, please show me where to find it.  :angel:)
http://www.theswamp.org/index.php?topic=49403.msg545108#msg545108 (http://www.theswamp.org/index.php?topic=49403.msg545108#msg545108)

look at ps2.png

it is also in your original post attachment 2 I think...PRINTABLE AREA  (originally called inked area limits - and then autodesk changed it's name but not it's function)
Title: Re: PDF
Post by: Bethrine on May 06, 2015, 05:32:20 PM
Okay, I had to google full bleed. I am guessing here, correct me if I am wrong...

ANSI B printable area accounts for an amount of bleed and ANSI B full bleed printable area is offset from the actual edge of the paper with no "space" for bleed?
Title: Re: PDF
Post by: mjfarrell on May 06, 2015, 05:57:12 PM
Okay, I had to google full bleed. I am guessing here, correct me if I am wrong...

ANSI B printable area accounts for an amount of bleed and ANSI B full bleed printable area is offset from the actual edge of the paper with no "space" for bleed?

Actually 'FULL BLEED' is a term MOSTLY used and referenced to WEB printers that are actually capable of printing ALL THE WAY to the edge of the paper.
Most if not ALL printers in the typical office using CAD  are NOT WEB printers nor are they able to perform FULL BLEED printing.
However some Photo Printers can approach FULL BLEED and that is why the one you picked earlier STILL had small margins (technically NOT 'full bleed')

Let me know IF your printer looks like this one; and I'll retract the above statement  (http://www.kba.com/fileadmin/user_upload/NewsImport/b59367c7-7379-404c-9e72-c31fa485e221-weblarge.JPG)
Title: Re: PDF
Post by: Bethrine on May 06, 2015, 06:12:46 PM
Let me know IF your printer looks like this one; and I'll retract the above statement 

 :-P
Title: Re: PDF
Post by: ronjonp on May 07, 2015, 10:15:01 AM
...
it allows for lazy practices
Can you explain why it's lazy.
Title: Re: PDF
Post by: Rob... on May 07, 2015, 10:22:56 AM
Because it takes a lot less work to have the desired output and it doesn't take multiple paragraphs to debug it.
Title: Re: PDF
Post by: mjfarrell on May 07, 2015, 10:36:10 AM
...
it allows for lazy practices
Can you explain why it's lazy.

Perhaps lazy in terms of adapting ones thinking to accept that 0,0 in paperspace is the limits of thee printable area.
And that 0,0 could change depending upon what one set margins for in the paper sizes.

That being said one would still need to adopt or adjust title block borders to fit various page size, and margin combinations
only using the edge of the paper as the origin. 

However there is then the legacy method of placing plot dots, or other reference devices so that one could simple plot 'extents'
and not bother with setting up ones plotting to any more exacting(predictable) methods.

Then the cad manager and the users need not bother with learning about how to better control their plot processes using named page setups
for that task.
Title: Re: PDF
Post by: mjfarrell on May 07, 2015, 10:37:39 AM
Because it takes a lot less work to have the desired output and it doesn't take multiple paragraphs to debug it.

Actually if one understands the process fully, there is no need to do excessive debugging.
Title: Re: PDF
Post by: ronjonp on May 07, 2015, 10:54:36 AM
...
it allows for lazy practices
Can you explain why it's lazy.

Perhaps lazy in terms of adapting ones thinking to accept that 0,0 in paperspace is the limits of thee printable area.
And that 0,0 could change depending upon what one set margins for in the paper sizes.

That being said one would still need to adopt or adjust title block borders to fit various page size, and margin combinations
only using the edge of the paper as the origin. 

However there is then the legacy method of placing plot dots, or other reference devices so that one could simple plot 'extents'
and not bother with setting up ones plotting to any more exacting(predictable) methods.

Then the cad manager and the users need not bother with learning about how to better control their plot processes using named page setups
for that task.
I've been using named pagesetups (https://www.theswamp.org/index.php?topic=20821.msg254418#msg254418) for many years. How does a PLOTOFFSET variable negate the 'need' to learn about them?
Also, if I remember correctly at some point changing the variable fixed an offset bug when using Publish.
Title: Re: PDF
Post by: mjfarrell on May 07, 2015, 11:14:50 AM
Unaware of any 'bug' that adding PLOTOFFSET as a variable 'fixed'.

Am aware that a great number of users had a hard time adjusting to Printable Area defining 0,0 for paperspace.
While doing training at the time Page Setups were introduced.

And then with the introduction of PLOTOFFSET variable, it sort of acted as a 'bug' when some peoples plots no longer worked correctly
when that setting was switched on or off by some user not knowing any better.
Title: Re: PDF
Post by: Bethrine on May 07, 2015, 12:19:56 PM
...
it allows for lazy practices
Can you explain why it's lazy.

Perhaps lazy in terms of adapting ones thinking to accept that 0,0 in paperspace is the limits of thee printable area.
And that 0,0 could change depending upon what one set margins for in the paper sizes.

That being said one would still need to adopt or adjust title block borders to fit various page size, and margin combinations
only using the edge of the paper as the origin. 

However there is then the legacy method of placing plot dots, or other reference devices so that one could simple plot 'extents'
and not bother with setting up ones plotting to any more exacting(predictable) methods.

Then the cad manager and the users need not bother with learning about how to better control their plot processes using named page setups
for that task.
I've been using named pagesetups (https://www.theswamp.org/index.php?topic=20821.msg254418#msg254418) for many years. How does a PLOTOFFSET variable negate the 'need' to learn about them?
Also, if I remember correctly at some point changing the variable fixed an offset bug when using Publish.

I get this when I click on that link:
Title: Re: PDF
Post by: Rob... on May 07, 2015, 12:24:38 PM
Click advanced and proceed.
Title: Re: PDF
Post by: ChrisCarlson on May 08, 2015, 09:54:10 AM
I'm not sure what all this hassle is, if your page plots perfectly to your plotter of choice, simply change the plotter to DWG to PDF and the relevant page sizes and offsets should transfer over, at least on 2015/2016 Vanilla here it does.
Title: Re: PDF
Post by: mjfarrell on May 08, 2015, 10:02:55 AM
that has a lot to do with how one has this set...
Title: Re: PDF
Post by: Bethrine on May 08, 2015, 10:05:01 AM
I'm not sure what all this hassle is, if your page plots perfectly to your plotter of choice, simply change the plotter to DWG to PDF and the relevant page sizes and offsets should transfer over, at least on 2015/2016 Vanilla here it does.

I tried that and it did not. I got it printing perfectly, maybe not properly, but perfectly. I now have a new PDF page setup for layouts that works just fine. And, if I have a problem later on, I have a pretty good idea what I'm doing so that I can probably get it to plot at least.
Title: Re: PDF
Post by: Bethrine on May 11, 2015, 11:51:50 AM
By the way, thank you all for the help here!  :-)