TheSwamp
CAD Forums => CAD General => Topic started by: mjfarrell on October 27, 2014, 02:32:05 PM
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Here is a situation that I'm trying to remedy, or at least have a rational reason as to why it is
happening, even IF there is no solution.
When changing the Page Setup, some of the layout tabs exhibit the behavior shown in the image.
The area that in theory is showing the Paper size and inked area limits, loses proper alignment
with the coordinate system of paper space.
Sometimes, switching the page setup, between several will get it to reset sometiimes nothing seems to get the
paper outline and the paperspace coordinates to synchronize.
Any thoughts or suggestions?
I can always just delete the tab and start fresh; however it would be nice to know what is really happening.
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The plot area is defined by your page setup, modify the page setup to plot a window, then select a window around your drawing.
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modify the page setup to plot EXTENTS
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move your drawing to the location of the plot, lower-left corner of drawing to 0,0 in PS
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The plot area is defined by your page setup, modify the page setup to plot a window, then select a window around your drawing.
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modify the page setup to plot EXTENTS
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move your drawing to the location of the plot, lower-left corner of drawing to 0,0 in PS
Thanks Randy, but that isn't the issue.
To be clear...the black paper that you see in the image is where autocad is placing the paper outline...
the other graphics in that image are actually @ 0,0 and the proper sze for the sheet.
For some crazy reason SOMETIMES when changing and or applying new page setups that sheet definition gets thrown out of alignment to paperspace, and or sheet boundaries, and or even plot offset settings.
And plotting to extents defeats the purpose of for using page setups. Reliable and consistent plotting.
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the page setup defines the paper location. Modify the page setup, if you don't wish to use extents (which does nothing to defeat using pagesetups) then use 'window' and select the corners of the area you desire to plot. What are you using now to define plot limits in your page setups??
Personally I turn off the 'show papersize/background display', it does little for me. I define the page setups and assign them to the layout in my template(s) so they are already prepared when I start the drawing. I define a window for plotting in that page setup that matches the corners of my border 'cutlines' and save it under a name defined for the plotter(s) I'm going to use on that project. I don't need to 'see' the white background to know what I'm going to plot / publish.
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I may be stating the obvious but to verify that the paper has lost the correct origin, assign it to window plot and draw the window using coordinate entry.
If you get the same result, then the title block has moved.
Alternatively, verify that the title block is at (0,0).
Which is it?
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yes title block is @ 0,0, and the insertion point is correct....
For Randy, the issue is Autocad 'thinks' the paperspace IS where the black, or white paper outline is at....NOT where my title block is at.
So while you may not need to see the paper boundary....autocad does need to 'imagine' that it is the correct place.
As, stated I have a solution, it isn't optimal, I am seeking the cause to perhaps A)prevent it, or B)affect a better cure.
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What are you using now to define plot limits in your page setups??
The Paper size and Inked are limits, which is then translated by autocad into the "LAYOUT"
And in theory, and when it isn't doing this other crazy thing works without need to define a limit, or chance use of extents
and the risk that some user has copied or drawn stuff outside the sheet borders.
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I have never seen this happen without OIE.
Is this a named plot style?
If not, make one that is correct so you can import and apply when this happens.
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I have never seen this happen without OIE.
Is this a named plot style?
If not, make one that is correct so you can import and apply when this happens.
The plot stlye doesn't appear to be the root cause.
However what is OIE? (Operator Input Error?)
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What makes you say that it is not the plot style? Can you fix it by altering the plat style? Have you tried importing one that is correct?
Operator Induced Error.
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What makes you say that it is not the plot style? Can you fix it by altering the plat style? Have you tried importing one that is correct?
Operator Induced Error.
Never seen plot style impact page setup origin or offsets.
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I'm sorry I meant page set-up. I didn't sleep well last night.
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Yes swapping out other page setups corrects....
The issue here is that I am trying to resolve, some title blocks that have mutated more than evolved.
Bad sizes, don't fit inked are limits, odd page offsets, need to use window, center on page.....and just
about everything imaginable to get a good reliable plot output here.
So I'm trying to fix, adjust and reslove all of that.
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yes title block is @ 0,0, and the insertion point is correct....
For Randy, the issue is Autocad 'thinks' the paperspace IS where the black, or white paper outline is at....NOT where my title block is at.
So while you may not need to see the paper boundary....autocad does need to 'imagine' that it is the correct place.
As, stated I have a solution, it isn't optimal, I am seeking the cause to perhaps A)prevent it, or B)affect a better cure.
Then your defined pagesetup has the 'window' of the plot somewhere away from 0,0 .... or .... the limits* defined in PAPERSPACE are not defined at 0,0
I've been using defined page setups since their inception and have never seen the issue where it was not a problem with the definition of the page setup. The source of that delinquent page setup maybe your template.
*LIMITS won't reset with the display of paper background active, uncheck it in OPTIONS and type LIMITS while in PS, if they aren't 0,0 reset them there.
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What makes you say that it is not the plot style? Can you fix it by altering the plat style? Have you tried importing one that is correct?
Operator Induced Error.
Never seen plot style impact page setup origin or offsets.
plot styles won't but page setups certainly can
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I think I have about sorted out the cause....
the title blocks are so mutated that their insertion points and or scales are NOT insert @ 0,0 and or scale of one....
then when the page size, inked area limits are defined for the Page Setup...0,0 is technically redefined and then the title block and the page setup no longer align, because they were never properly aligned to begin with.
What a kettle of Pepper Jack Cheese balls, this is. And propagated by persons that in theory 'know' Autoocad.
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I think I have about sorted out the cause....
the title blocks are so mutated that their insertion points and or scales are NOT insert @ 0,0 and or scale of one....
then when the page size, inked area limits are defined for the Page Setup...0,0 is technically redefined and then the title block and the page setup no longer align, because they were never properly aligned to begin with.
What a kettle of Pepper Jack Cheese balls, this is. And propagated by persons that in theory 'know' Autoocad.
Ok if the borders are not properly located and scaled, then you have discovered the issue.
however (always one of those, right)
you keep saying that "0,0 is technically redefined" ... who is 'redefining' 0,0?? ... and where is it being redefined??
The plotter/printer defined in the page setup defines the paper size used and the 'printable area' of that particular plotter/printer with paperspace 0,0 at the lower left corner of that page (plotoffset determines edge of page or edge of printable area) and it will stay there unless the operator alters it by one of the available plot limits definitions (extents, window, limits)
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0,0 for paperspace can either be defined as EDGE of Paper or Inked Area Limits.
This because many could not adjust to 0,0 being the inked area limits for the paperspace 'origin',
as it was originally when Page Setups were first introduced.
Personally I still use and like inked area limits for my definition of paperspace origin.
Others may prefer and or understand that 0,0 is the corner of the paper.
In this instance; where one defines the inked area limits effectively 'redefines' where 0,0 is for the layout.
If one is using 'edge of paper' then 0,0 is left alone. (could be why some prefer it)
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Ok if the borders are not properly located and scaled, then you have discovered the issue.
Just not accustomed to finding such a mixed bag of title block scales and origins within a single company,
and possibly even from a single source.
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0,0 for paperspace can either be defined as EDGE of Paper or Inked Area Limits.
PLOTOFFSET = 1 for printable area = 0 for edge of paper.
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0,0 for paperspace can either be defined as EDGE of Paper or Inked Area Limits.
PLOTOFFSET = 1 for printable area = 0 for edge of paper.
Thanks Randy, obviously I am already aware of those settings.
However thanks for providing them for others that may not be.
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Terminology is the key to understanding. Someone reading here and looking in help for "inked limits" would be disappointed.
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I can always just delete the tab and start fresh; however it would be nice to know what is really happening.
Sometimes it just makes sense to let it go and start fresh. If it starts happening again, then it might be time to track it down.
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Terminology is the key to understanding. Someone reading here and looking in help for "inked limits" would be disappointed.
That may be true;
however IF I take the title of this topic
PAGE SETUP + INKED AREA and search Autocad Help
it returns as the FIRST TOPIC the correct answer.
If I search GOOGLE page setup inked area it also returns as the FIRST TOPIC.
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I can always just delete the tab and start fresh; however it would be nice to know what is really happening.
Sometimes it just makes sense to let it go and start fresh. If it starts happening again, then it might be time to track it down.
Interestingly enough, I offered exactly that advice: http://www.theswamp.org/index.php?topic=31088.5;wap2 (http://www.theswamp.org/index.php?topic=31088.5;wap2)
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Technology (and synonyms) is a wonderful thing.
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Terminology is the key to understanding. Someone reading here and looking in help for "inked limits" would be disappointed.
That may be true;
however IF I take the title of this topic
PAGE SETUP + INKED AREA and search Autocad Help
it returns as the FIRST TOPIC the correct answer.
If I search GOOGLE page setup inked area it also returns as the FIRST TOPIC.
You get the same results without the word INKED. INKED shows up no where in AutoCAD help.