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CAD Forums => CAD General => Topic started by: Dinosaur on July 14, 2006, 09:48:11 AM
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THE single largest obstacle I have found to learning Microstation are the differences in terminology from AutoCAD for performing similar tasks or dealing with various entities and properties. I know what want to do, but most of the time even help gives no relief because I don't know the terminology to look for.
Is there anywhere available a reference guide that has something like a glossary of terms for Microstation that also shows the corresponding terms for AutoCAD commands, entities and properties?
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I did come across a list like this in the help menu, try doing a search on autocad. If you don't find it, let me know and I will get it on Monday.
I have that same problem. I think it is because I am still coming at this with an autocad point of view instead of a microstation point of view. In the v8.5 version these viewpoints seem to be 180 degrees from each other however in the XM version they seem to be a lot closer.
I spent a day and a half looking for a system variable controlling a check mark in the cell library dialog box.
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I only have access to V8 at the moment, in fact I will have to reinstall it before I can start learning again. I appreciate the help suggestion, I will check it out this weekend after I load it up . . . didn't think to look for AutoCAD, but I was so frustrated that my hard earned line had gone away I shut it down and never took the time to go back.
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We are playschool dinØsaurs, big and bad and tough. I can play with them real rough, roar
Hey DinØ dude, I found this (http://www.nebraskatransportation.org/NEUG/pdf/12%20uSTN%20for%20AutoCAD%20Users.pdf), enjoy.
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Thank you, this is EXACTLY what I need - copy saved
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Go get yourself a sturdy motorcycle helmet.
You WILL get to the point that it would be easier to bang your head against a hard surface than to get things done in Microstation.
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You WILL get to the point that it would be easier to bang your head against a hard surface than to get things done in Microstation.
Been there, done that. It didn't help...
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That is where I am now. A scent of change is in the air and it would sure be nice to not be afraid to hear the word Microstation in an interview.
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The company I work for is moving to microstation.
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I am hearing a LOT of grumbling about the way Autodesk has treated the Civil group over the last few years especially from the little firms who can't afford the overhead required to stay current and legal. If they are lucky enough to find someone who can use and teach either program , that would be their best chance to make the switch.
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The company I work for is moving to microstation.
you've been saying that for as long as I've known you.
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Big companies tend to make moves like this with the speed at which molasses flows across ice. However, since every forward movement has to be negotiated and blessed, this process will still take 1 - 2 years. :-)
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When I started to use Microstation the office had a book that was indispensable.
I don't remember the name but it is along the lines of Microstation for Autocad Users. It cross-references each command with step-by-step instructions..
Example: attach an xref for Autocad is immediately followed by attach a reference for Microstation. That way I could look for the Autocad command and then find the way to do it in Microstation.
The hardest thing I had to get used to (and still haven't gotten it down completely) is that you have to left-click in Microstation to accept changes for each command.
Also, I had someone that works at a different office that was very well versed in Microstation. If I ran into a problem I would email him to get a solution. If you can set that up with someone across the internet that will help you out when books and forums won't.
Good luck!!
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Big companies tend to make moves like this with the speed at which molasses flows across ice. However, since every forward movement has to be negotiated and blessed, this process will still take 1 - 2 years. :-)
I'm teasing.
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Morning Bob!
:-)That's ok. I didn't take it wrong.
I really am beginning to have fun learning about microstation.
It is a whole other world. Currently I'm trying to learn about managing workspaces/environments through Projectwise, a Bentley document management system. Similar to how we control our different work group's (Substation, Relay, Transmission) environments via the network could now be managed in PW.
It is just another system.
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I've said this before although not often but I liked microstation way back when That was all I did. I learned AutoCAD but my first job drafting was microstation. I was asked in the interview if I knew any microstation and had to tell them that I had never even heard of it. He said it was OK, CAD was CAD. True to some extent. After a year or so doing microstation full time and exclusively, I did some moonlighting in AutoCAD. It really annoyed me how counterintuitive and ridiculously put together AutoCAD was. Almost the exact feelings I have for Microstation now. Microstation at the time was far better for large drawings than AutoCAD. I remember doing a test with a drawing that was about 1.5 meg (this was in the 640k ram days), microstation would do an update all in about 5 minutes vs about 45 for an acad regen (there's one for you DinØbuddy, on the house).
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My only real gripe about Bentley is their inability to write stable applications for AutoCAD. When you work for a company whose only civil vertical is inroads and inroads crashes about every third command, it gets REALLY annoying.
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Is this using Inroads with autocad or microstation?
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with autocad. Using it in Microstation was much more stable.
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That's what I was thinking. We use PW with autocad and encounter many things that don't work the way their supposed too. We were constantly having to use workarounds to try and accomplish the same things that the microstation users were getting automatically.
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With inroads, everything worked like it should it just crashed regularly. I don't think that Bentley programmers can get their minds around the way AutoCAD works.
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I don't think that Bentley programmers can get their minds around the way AutoCAD works.
Wow, do I agree with that!
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. . . I remember doing a test with a drawing that was about 1.5 meg (this was in the 640k ram days), microstation would do an update all in about 5 minutes vs about 45 for an acad regen (there's one for you DinØbuddy, on the house).
I'm not sure what Microstation was like back then, but I have seen what r10 was like on an old xt with a whopping 512k and Hercules graphics. A friend who had inherited the darn thing mentioned it had some version of AutoCAD installed while he was showing it off. I figured it must be one of the really old versions so I typed acad to see what it looked like. I couldn't believe it when finally, after much strobing of the disc light, r10 started loading with these funky dark green characters on something like a 9 or 10" monitor. It took 5 full minutes to get to a command line and I was able to exit the program. The original owner had even sacrificed 64k of that little dab of memory for a ram disc.
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I don't remember the full text launch for AutoCAD but do remember:
1. Start a new drawing.
2. Edit an existing drawing.
THat's all I remember of the top of my head, it seems like I used 4 occansionally but don't remember what it did. Microstation then had a really great utility hidden in amongst the files that would let you mark the memory and then release it back to that point. Basically the same as Undo Mark, Undo Back Yes in acad but with your RAM. Was really good for killing TSRs that were hard to kill neturally and for using new untested programs to cut down on the chance of a memory leak.
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Hey Arizona...
Projectwise and AutoCad... isn't it a fun mix. And now you are doing Microstation, projectwise and workspaces... You sure are digging in with both feet firmly in the mud aren't ya!~!
Well, From my olden days, if you need some help just holler. If 32599 is monitoring THIS forum, he will be able to chime in... He's got all that expertise in his brain that he needs to release or his HEAD is gonna get too big!! :-D
Pieter
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Hey Arizona...
Projectwise and AutoCad... isn't it a fun mix. And now you are doing Microstation, projectwise and workspaces... You sure are digging in with both feet firmly in the mud aren't ya!~!
Oh, I see whats wrong, It was supposed to be feet first. Oops!
If 32599 is monitoring THIS forum, he will be able to chime in...
So who is 32599?
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32599 is a past co-worker...
The microstation god at my previous place of employment... :lmao:
Pieter