Ok let start with all my layers are on and all the Xref's layers are on. I have been setting up a set of company standards using a set of existing dwgs to make my templates. I used the boarder off one of these dwgs and purged out the crap we don't need and saved it as dwt. When ever and no matter where ever I insert this boarder as an xref it remains invisible. I made up a new dwg and put a box in it and it inserts fine. I'm baffled. ANy help would be apprciated.