Author Topic: Civil Points differ from 2005 and 2006 (Read 7498 times)

dubb · « **on:** March 30, 2006, 02:36:27 PM »

I created a drawing in 2006 map 3d and tried to open it in 2004 map and 2005 map 3d but the points showed up large. basically it didnt look the same. I also downloaded the service pack and the object enabler for 2005 map 3d but it still does the same thing. I kinda need to get the civil points working so that my client who used 2004 can open it up and go through it. Anybody here know what I'm talking about?

Dinosaur · « **Reply #1 on:** March 30, 2006, 03:00:12 PM »

It sounds like you got bit by the insunits bug. Try setting the insunits variable to "0" and see if that solves it. If that doesn't help try setting it to "2". Autodesk changed the default value to "1" in 2006 and it has caused all kinds of grief with the civil packages.

dubb · « **Reply #2 on:** March 30, 2006, 03:59:53 PM »

it didnt work.....maybe i didnt explain the situation properly.

here are screeen shots of the points in different versions of autocad

map 3d 2005
http://www.theswamp.org/screens/dubb/acadmap3d05.jpg

map 3d 2006
http://www.theswamp.org/screens/dubb/acadmap3d06.jpg

as you can see the points dont look the same size anymore.

Dinosaur · « **Reply #3 on:** March 30, 2006, 04:12:10 PM »

I probably won't be around tonight to check further. For now all I can suggest is look at that block definition and scale it up by twelve if it looks like that may help. Once a block is imported with this problem, redefining is the only remedy. Other than that, I am not sure how MAP deals with point creation - it is easy with C3D styles and even LDT so I use those instead.

dubb · « **Reply #4 on:** March 30, 2006, 04:31:50 PM »

hmm...couldn't be a block thing...the points in the drawing are xrefed into the current drawing you see. the drawing is imported at the right scale. i always wondered if i create a point with labels in 2006, will it show up correctly in 2005 and 2004? in my case it seems to be false.

Jeff_M · « **Reply #5 on:** March 30, 2006, 05:38:56 PM »

Dubb,
would you be willing to email me the dwgs?

Dinosaur · « **Reply #6 on:** March 30, 2006, 08:09:42 PM »

The insunits thing happens in xrefs as well as blocks, in fact that makes it seem more likely to be the problem. What is the insunits setting in the xref drawing? It needs to be the same in both drawings.

dubb · « **Reply #7 on:** March 30, 2006, 08:17:39 PM »

ill have to try making both the xref and the sheet is on the insunits variable. zero is the preferred setting right? ok..well i can post the drawings. there will be 2 of them..the points and the sheet that is referring to the points.

dubb · « **Reply #8 on:** March 30, 2006, 08:18:20 PM »

here is the sheet
most of the stuff wont show up, but this is probably enough to see whats going on. if anything let me know.

Dinosaur · « **Reply #9 on:** March 30, 2006, 08:55:24 PM »

I only have my trial version of 2007 available here tonight and I haven't been able to duplicate your problem with that, but I am not surprised. It did look like your insunitsare set correctly though. Did you try reinserting the point block drawing into the drawing after the insunits were changed? Redefining that way may work.

Jeff_M · « **Reply #10 on:** March 30, 2006, 09:07:04 PM »

Interesting.....the C-POINTS.dwg has the AEC_Points in it. The same drawing in LEM2006 & LEM3 (I don't have 2004 or 2005) gives the same results. Exploding the point group down to it's basic Mtext shows that in the LEM3 the Textsize is 4.00, but that same Mtext in LEM2006 has a height of 2.00. This is with not doing anything other than saving the C-Point.dwg back to R2002 format and exploding the Points! This leads me to think that there is a bug in the enabler.......as I can't think of any Sysvars that can affect this.

I'm leaving for the day, but I will investigate further tomorrow.

Jeff

dubb · « **Reply #11 on:** March 30, 2006, 11:41:45 PM »

i appreciate your attemps, im still working on a solution for this. good night fellaz

Dinosaur · « **Reply #12 on:** March 31, 2006, 11:37:37 AM »

It appears that the entire point block has somehow been inserted at double the correct scale in the xref drawing. All I get when I load your points drawing in MAP 2005 is a proxy object so I am limited in how I can manipulate things. I would try using a query to bring in those points rather than an xref. You can reduce the scale factor of the blocks 50& by altering its properties with the query. This should bring them in at the correct location and size. If you want to maintain an xref for them, you can wblock out the new points into a replacement points drawing.
I still can't figure out why it is different from 2006 unless it was some default point setting that was not the same in the two programs.

Jeff_M · « **Reply #13 on:** March 31, 2006, 06:08:39 PM »

OK, for the life of me I cannot duplicate this behaviour with my drawings or the Tutorial drawings in C3D.

Something else I'm not sure about.....and this is probably due to my not using C3D much yet, but the Point display style is set to scale the point by the drawing scale and the text heght for the point label style is set to 0.10"....fine, but the drawing scale is 1"=40' and the Point Text displays at 2.0'....I would expect this to be 4.0, which happens to be what it gets set to when saved out to R2000/2002.

Well, that's all the time I can spend on this today. Sorry I haven't gotten anywhere closer to an answer or workaround.

Dinosaur · « **Reply #14 on:** March 31, 2006, 07:35:39 PM »

Good catch Jeff . . . his drawing scale IS still set to the default of 40 in both drawings although the drawing seems to be intended as 20. I set the drawing scale to 20 in each and the text now appears to be the same height in both drawings. I can only check this in 2006 tonight, but I think the drawing scale is the problem.

MINI RANT MODE . . .

Why do all of Autodesk civil products default to a 40 scale? I use 40 scale for absolutely nothing and don't know anybody who does. The only place I have seen the scale used is in state highway dept. drawings. Worse, I have not found where to change this default. I can overcome some of the problem by using a template, but this does not help when a drawing is created via wblock. I have tried changing the value in every acad.dwt I can find, yet any file created from it still starts life at 40 scale. Any suggestions would be greatfully accepted

thank you . . . carry on

Jeff_M · « **Reply #15 on:** March 31, 2006, 10:15:18 PM »

Heh, 90% of all my Subdivison street plans for the past 30 years are at 40 scale....

Of course, for the past 5, or so, years they've been going to 30 and 20 scale......between the miscellaneous crud that the plan checkers just HAVE to have that only takes up space and my tired eyes that don't want to focus on small things I NEED more space between the linework......

As for the default, I dunno, but it it will give me something to investigate this wet weekend.

Dinosaur · « **Reply #16 on:** March 31, 2006, 10:59:38 PM »

At least 3/4 of my work is at 50 scale. Plats are mostly at 100 and the rest is small site plan work that ends up in 20 scale with a bit of 30 scale if the site is odd shaped or too big. Our plan & profiles have always been 50 scale with 10 vertical, but I have a new sheet template ready to deploy that will be 20 and 5 because of the latest rounds of district review comments. There is just not enough physical room at any larger scale to show all of the <deleted> they insist on having on the plan and have the 1/8" lettering they demand.

Jeff_M · « **Reply #17 on:** April 03, 2006, 02:18:56 PM »

Quote from: Dinosaur on March 31, 2006, 07:35:39 PM

Why do all of Autodesk civil products default to a 40 scale? I use 40 scale for absolutely nothing and don't know anybody who does. The only place I have seen the scale used is in state highway dept. drawings. Worse, I have not found where to change this default. I can overcome some of the problem by using a template, but this does not help when a drawing is created via wblock. I have tried changing the value in every acad.dwt I can find, yet any file created from it still starts life at 40 scale. Any suggestions would be greatfully accepted

I think I found what you need to change......this is stored in the Registry, for my Land2006 the key is:

Quote

HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Autodesk\AutoCAD\R16.2\ACAD-4008:409\Profiles\Land Desktop\Defaults\AecBase40\DwgSetup\Imperial

under this are CivilDimScale and DwgScale, both of which are set to 40 in a brand new install and I don't see how to change them in the software, so maybe changing the values directly in the registry will solve your problem.....

dubb · « **Reply #18 on:** April 03, 2006, 03:05:45 PM »

hey thanks guys. im kinda sketchy messing with the registry so i all hae to ask one of my CAD IT managers to do that. but thanks for all the support. just to let you know, i have been using the map 3d in 2006 and 2005 for about a year now. ever since then i always been learning more about autocad and all its distributions.

Jeff_M · « **Reply #19 on:** April 03, 2006, 06:51:52 PM »

Quote from: Jeff_M on April 03, 2006, 02:18:56 PM

...so maybe changing the values directly in the registry will solve your problem.....

I just verified that by changing these values in the registry to 50 scale and a Vertical scale of 10, a new drawing created via Wblock now have the correct 50/10 scales applied....even though the original drawing I had left at 40/4.

Dinosaur · « **Reply #20 on:** April 03, 2006, 07:38:53 PM »

Thanks Jeff, I owe you a bunch of help with some Civil 3D styles or something for that fix.

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