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Tuoni

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Re: Autocad locking up incredibly too much
« Reply #30 on: May 11, 2007, 08:14:48 AM »
:) I always recommend AVG to anyone who will listen (as shown by my link)... it's scary how many things it picks up that have slipped through AV software such as Norton :/

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Re: Autocad locking up incredibly too much
« Reply #31 on: May 11, 2007, 08:55:49 AM »
to be quite honest...

it was fewer clicks to download avast! than it was AVG.

THAT'S A WINNER IN MY BOOK.

But really, I am thinking about trying AVG because I'm not so sure I'm cool with avast!

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Re: Autocad locking up incredibly too much
« Reply #32 on: May 11, 2007, 09:16:07 AM »
Have you tried disabling hardware support for graphics?  That should help pin down whether the problem is your graphics card, or something else.  Of course, if you turn off all hardware acceleration and force Autocad to do it all in software, you will probably notice performance issues.  However, if shutting off hardware acceleration makes things better, then that's a firm indication that there's a problem with the graphics.

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Re: Autocad locking up incredibly too much
« Reply #33 on: May 11, 2007, 09:30:18 AM »
Have you tried disabling hardware support for graphics?  That should help pin down whether the problem is your graphics card, or something else.  Of course, if you turn off all hardware acceleration and force Autocad to do it all in software, you will probably notice performance issues.  However, if shutting off hardware acceleration makes things better, then that's a firm indication that there's a problem with the graphics.

Dave actually called me at the office and walked me through a few steps to help increase my graphics card performance and help it work as intended for Autocad, and I think it's actually solved my problem.  I haven't had any problems at all since I took his advice, but this morning I'm working on some 2D site work stuff.  Once I get back into the 3d model and cutting details and sections from it, where the more precarious operations occur, I'll post back what the fix was if it worked as I think it has.  I just want to test it a bit more before I go giving anyone hope, who happens to search a similar problem.

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Re: Autocad locking up incredibly too much
« Reply #34 on: May 11, 2007, 10:33:28 AM »
Good news Josh, crossing my fingers and holding my breath. *dgc takes deep breath and holds*

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Re: Autocad locking up incredibly too much
« Reply #35 on: May 11, 2007, 08:25:56 PM »
To follow up on the situation, in case someone else runs into a similar snag, and this might actually apply to people who don't use only the nVidia GeForce 6800 videa card, as this probably applies to many similarly constructed cards:

Dave made the suggestion to set my video card to enable hardware acceleration (which is commonly suggested to be disabled if experiencing difficulty properly displaying visual styles... but seeing as how that's how I had it set, and I had crappy visual style performance, I figured I had nothing to lose ;) ) and instead of using the defaulted Direct 3D driver, to use OpenGL.

I used the default values it gave me:

Geometry Accelation ON
Smooth Line Display: OFF
Gooch Hardware Shader: ON
Full shadow display: OFF
Texture Compression: OFF

The rest I left to previous settings whether they were default, or slightly changed to suit my machine.

In addition to these Autocad particular settings, Dave suggested that I alter some of the video card settings, accessed by clicking the "Advanced" button on the "Settings" tab of the Windows Display Properties dialogue.

On the "GeForce 6800" tab, with the "Performance & Quality" tab active, via the left hand flyout, the lowest check box named "Application-controlled" on the Vertical Sync settings was unchecked (previously was checked) and forced settings "Off".  I should note that though the box was previously checked, the greyed-slider was set to 'off' before hand, but to make sure it was as suggested, I forced it manually, for assurance sake.

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Given these changes, I've had not a single lock-up during 3dclip, print preview, or any related problems.  I've had one hang-up on a 3drotate command, but it was single, isolated, and I believe it to be one of those normal Autocad hissy fit scenarios where I may have been going a bit fast for it to keep pace with some of it's processes.

Conceptual visual style clicked on in a snap.  I've never had it go like this before.  It's not an extravagant amount, but the biggest bonus for me, is that before now, it had trouble figuring out what face to show on top of others... i'd have background pieces showing on top of others, and faces distorted and such.  Now it's showing quite accurately with only minor problems that seem typical.

Realistic visual style works 100% fine.  I have materials and textures applied to the model, multiple xrefs, 3d and 2d geometry.  Does regen slightly slow, but I think it is of an ordinary amount because of textures/materials.  A switch to a copy of "realistic" that does not show textures made it a little faster.

Overall it's actually improved performance and efficiency in almost every area, and if it didn't improve, it remained unchanged.

Quite a tip from Dave W!  Thank you so much, again!
« Last Edit: May 11, 2007, 09:06:52 PM by Josh Nieman »

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Re: Autocad locking up incredibly too much
« Reply #36 on: May 11, 2007, 08:44:29 PM »
No probelm.

To clarify your remembrance of the settings above in the adapter: it is clicking on performance and quality settings, then clicking on vertical sync, then taking the check out of application controlled, then making sure the slider is to the left and off. I hope it continues to work. To be honest, I have no idea why it does. :)

Josh Nieman

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Re: Autocad locking up incredibly too much
« Reply #37 on: May 11, 2007, 09:07:10 PM »
No probelm.

To clarify your remembrance of the settings above in the adapter: it is clicking on performance and quality settings, then clicking on vertical sync, then taking the check out of application controlled, then making sure the slider is to the left and off. I hope it continues to work. To be honest, I have no idea why it does. :)

Thanks for the clarification, I fixed my post.

sinc

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Re: Autocad locking up incredibly too much
« Reply #38 on: May 13, 2007, 09:20:46 AM »
On a related note, I've noticed that the OpenGL drivers seem to work about 10x better than the Direct 3D drivers on ALL our nVidia graphics cards.

Before 2008, our graphics cards defaulted to OpenGL.  Starting in 2008, they default to Direct 3D.  After discovering the HUGE performance difference, I've switched all our machines back to OpenGL.

Don't know if Direct 3D performs better on Vista or not.  That might be what Autodesk was thinking - they're moving to Direct 3D on Vista.  But Direct 3D really seems to suck on XP.

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Re: Autocad locking up incredibly too much
« Reply #39 on: May 13, 2007, 11:57:59 AM »
On a related note, I've noticed that the OpenGL drivers seem to work about 10x better than the Direct 3D drivers on ALL our nVidia graphics cards.

Before 2008, our graphics cards defaulted to OpenGL.  Starting in 2008, they default to Direct 3D.  After discovering the HUGE performance difference, I've switched all our machines back to OpenGL.

Don't know if Direct 3D performs better on Vista or not.  That might be what Autodesk was thinking - they're moving to Direct 3D on Vista.  But Direct 3D really seems to suck on XP.


I think there is a misunderstanding here, Video cards can use hardware or software to drive them. As far as I know there is no OpenGL at all in ACAD 2008. The hardware acceleration is for direct3D. Please let me know if I am wrong.

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Re: Autocad locking up incredibly too much
« Reply #40 on: May 13, 2007, 02:12:37 PM »
As far as I know there is no OpenGL at all in ACAD 2008. The hardware acceleration is for direct3D. Please let me know if I am wrong.
Hera ya go....

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Re: Autocad locking up incredibly too much
« Reply #41 on: May 14, 2007, 12:07:32 PM »
Thanks Jeff.

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Re: Autocad locking up incredibly too much
« Reply #42 on: May 14, 2007, 12:34:39 PM »
Thanks Jeff.
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