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CAD Forums => Vertically Challenged => Land Lubber / Geographically Positioned => Topic started by: drizzt on April 04, 2011, 08:57:47 AM
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First, We are a small company with 7 seats, only a couple of us really use Civil 3D though. Is it worth it to utilize Vault. Looks like a lot of brain damage to learn, but I could be mistaken.
As you all know, I value your opinions and appreciate any feedback on this!
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ps. I know there is a lot of commentary here about vault, just thought it would be a good idea to get an updated opinion, in case some of you with experience changed your mind one way or another.
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I can't speak for all depts. but ours does not use Vault.
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I have advised no, at our company. So we don't use it.
But if you all are willing to use it and use it in the right way, then why shouldn't you use it. It's free software :-)
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It's free software
You get what you pay for. :roll:
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It's free software :-)
Since when?
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It's free software :-)
Since when?
It's free with any purchase of Autodesk software over $5,999 :-D
The Vault product line consists of 4 products so that users can get just the right features they need at just the right cost. The base version of Vault comes free with most Autodesk CAD products.
http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/index?siteID=123112&id=13433205
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Even for a 'large' CIVIL Engineering office Vault simply doesn't make any sense.
Firstly it is a VERSION control product, not really a document management system.
It's a lame band-aid slapped on top of C3D to attempt to compensate for the missing Project Management functions that were found in Land Desktop.
Second it still relies on user input to maintain the particulars of why or what was edited in a file.
My favorite pet peeve; is that it allows a user to exit a file and NOT check it back in to the vault.
It's flawed and bloated, and simply doesn't meet the needs of possibly 85% of most Civil Engineering firms.
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My mistake, it is not free, only in subscription environments.
I agree with Higgs Boson's Mate, those are reasons I advised no.
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Wasn't it "created" for Inventor, and then pushed out elsewhere?
Perhaps that is why it isn't suitable for C3D.
I'm 'uncivil', so I cant really comment with any conviction.
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Wasn't it "created" for Inventor, and then pushed out elsewhere?
Perhaps that is why it isn't suitable for C3D.
I'm 'uncivil', so I cant really comment with any conviction.
Yes it was created for Inventor.
And then Autodesk decided that it was so good everyone needed it, wether they actually could benefit from it or not.
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Thank you all for the advise. I am going to advise against it here also. I did a little research and defiantly do not believe it to be useful for small office environment.
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I would HIGHLY recommend you hold passing judgment until you've at least reviewed Vault Collaboration AEC 2012. We have made significant changes to the way Vault & C3D interact as well as the way your data can be shared with outside parties. VC AEC will NOT be free with Subscription, it is a separate purchase.
While you may still find that VC AEC doesn't do anything to improve your particular situation, I just encourage all of you to make sure you understand the latest product improvements before writing off a pretty powerful tool for Civil firms. Visit with your reseller, they should understand your business and situation to be of real help in making these evaluations. If your reseller doesn't have the answers to satisfy you, please ask them to contact me via the Frontline team at Autodesk.
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I would HIGHLY recommend you hold passing judgment until you've at least reviewed Vault Collaboration AEC 2012. We have made significant changes to the way Vault & C3D interact as well as the way your data can be shared with outside parties. VC AEC will NOT be free with Subscription, it is a separate purchase.
While you may still find that VC AEC doesn't do anything to improve your particular situation, I just encourage all of you to make sure you understand the latest product improvements before writing off a pretty powerful tool for Civil firms. Visit with your reseller, they should understand your business and situation to be of real help in making these evaluations. If your reseller doesn't have the answers to satisfy you, please ask them to contact me via the Frontline team at Autodesk.
What extra benefit from the paid version will the non users of the free version see James?
This sounds like a real bad idea; lets buy the version of a feature we don't use because it isn't effective. I can't see anyone being able to make the business case to buy something to replace a free something that doesn't work for them.
So, instead of sending them around the horn through their dealer, why don't you illuminate them here as to how and why paying HOW MUCH MONEY, is going to be better for them than not spending any on a product that really doesn't suit the Civil world at all.
We don't need a VERSION control product we need real project management tool.
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Even for a 'large' CIVIL Engineering office Vault simply doesn't make any sense.
Firstly it is a VERSION control product, not really a document management system.
It's a lame band-aid slapped on top of C3D to attempt to compensate for the missing Project Management functions that were found in Land Desktop.
Second it still relies on user input to maintain the particulars of why or what was edited in a file.
My favorite pet peeve; is that it allows a user to exit a file and NOT check it back in to the vault.
It's flawed and bloated, and simply doesn't meet the needs of possibly 85% of most Civil Engineering firms.
Higgs for Autodesk CEO!! :mrgreen:
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What extra benefit from the paid version will the non users of the free version see James?
Without going into a full product launch, Vault Collaboration AEC expands on the Vault functionality most of you already know a bit about. To my mind, big ticket items include:
- Lifecycles and Categories for data process management
- Integration with Civil 3D at an object level helping understand use/uses cases for Civil 3D objects
- Background file synchronization between remote offices at a full replication or data replication level
- Automated tasks through job server functionality to make sharing data easier
The reason I can't go into full details or offer up pricing is that your reseller knows you and your firm better than I do and can answer your questions better. Each company that looks at Vault Collaboration AEC will have different needs. Again, that list is what makes ME smile, but it might not be what floats your boat. If you want to see how it could fit your firm, talk to your reseller.
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Is Vault AEC equally as effective for plain jane Autocad users?
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What extra benefit from the paid version will the non users of the free version see James?
Without going into a full product launch, Vault Collaboration AEC expands on the Vault functionality most of you already know a bit about. To my mind, big ticket items include:
- Lifecycles and Categories for data process management
- Integration with Civil 3D at an object level helping understand use/uses cases for Civil 3D objects
- Background file synchronization between remote offices at a full replication or data replication level
- Automated tasks through job server functionality to make sharing data easier
The reason I can't go into full details or offer up pricing is that your reseller knows you and your firm better than I do and can answer your questions better. Each company that looks at Vault Collaboration AEC will have different needs. Again, that list is what makes ME smile, but it might not be what floats your boat. If you want to see how it could fit your firm, talk to your reseller.
Yes each firm my have different needs, and from what I see this product appears to not provide any of what we really want.
Are you saying it allows point sharing?
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nah, already have a doc management application for the several million pounds of documentation we produce thats not AutCAD.
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Why don't you folks give us MAP funtionality with our Civil 3D objects so we could readly get our BIM on?
And use our GIS tools to maximum advantage.
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I guess so long as Higgson, here, is posting, we can say goodbye to ever hoping for Autodesk personnel taking part in the Swamp discussion. :roll:
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I guess so long as Higgson, here, is posting, we can say goodbye to ever hoping for Autodesk personnel taking part in the Swamp discussion. :roll:
I dunno, with this guy James if they are participating, or just marketing.
Reference another post today, is "you can Google that"
really helping?
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I think the forum would benefit if you would be less of a turd to Autodesk whenever someone worth listening to pipes up. Believe it or not, we don't all want to listen to -only you- on these topics, and your vitriolic and confrontational attitude comes through pretty strongly, and we all know it chases away valuable resources that would otherwise contribute more if it were not for fear of having to deal with -you-
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I think the forum would benefit if you would be less of a turd to Autodesk whenever someone worth listening to pipes up. Believe it or not, we don't all want to listen to -only you- on these topics, and your vitriolic and confrontational attitude comes through pretty strongly, and we all know it chases away valuable resources that would otherwise contribute more if it were not for fear of having to deal with -you-
James,
Respectfully the ideas I express are not mine alone.
This is what I hear from users I train, and companies I support.
Their feedback to their dealers goes unheeded.
If autodesk or their representative what to live in some euphoric dream-state believing that nothing is wrong with their products or services, perhaps they should not post here. If they want real customer feed back and honest assessment of the quality and value of their products, I say welcome aboard.
I think you miss that this is or was a discussion about usability and or usefullness of Vault.
To that end most of us offered reasoned opinion. And the consensus was reached that it is NOT worth bothering with.
That wasn't only my opinion on the topic.
Then we get an offer for a paid version of the thing that isn't worth using as a solution.
The paid version still lacking the features or functions that would make it useful to a larger population of Civil offices.
One would need to be some crazy fan boy to think that type of input has value.
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If autodesk or their representative what to live in some euphoric dream-state believing that nothing is wrong with their products or services,
That, with no absolute respect what so ever, ain't your damned call.
I think you miss that this is or was a discussion about usability and or usefullness of Vault.
To that end most of us offered reasoned opinion. And the consensus was reached that it is NOT worth bothering with.
That wasn't only my opinion on the topic.
Why don't you folks give us MAP funtionality with our Civil 3D objects so we could readly get our BIM on?
And use our GIS tools to maximum advantage.
Yep - sure looks like I'm the one missing the point of the thread. Sure is. /sarcasm.
Here's my previous contributions before being fed up:
Is Vault AEC equally as effective for plain jane Autocad users?
Yea. Guess that's me being way off topic here. :roll:
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It is my opinion, and last I checked we are entitled to having them on this site, at least.
I don't recall being an autodesk fan was a requisite to being a member of The Swamp.
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Is Vault AEC equally as effective for plain jane Autocad users?
James;
I use vault daily with vanilla, though it is an older version (2008)
Works great.... for our needs. YMMV.
as Wedding says, it depends on what your particular needs are.
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It is my opinion, and last I checked we are entitled to having them on this site, at least.
I don't recall being an autodesk fan was a requisite to being a member of The Swamp.
It's one thing to have an opinion on whether or not they should post, and another thing entirely to ACTIVELY chase them away!
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boo!
I didn't think I was that scary.
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This thread was entertaining.
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This thread was entertaining.
A regular afternoon swamp opera...
Just call it "General Inhospital". Or "As the Swamp Ribbits"... :-)
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Sorry folks. I have a particular interest in this type of software - the boss and I are having some troubles with a particularly error prone guy we work with and equal blame falls on our communication methods so we're trying to fix this. Vault is one thing I'm looking into and the thread got my blood pressure up at a certain point, I guess.
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Happens to all of us dude. No worries. Just shows your passion for your line of work, which is a good thing. ;)
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This is what I hear from users I train, and companies I support.
"Son, where'd you learn to bash Autodesk like that?"
"You alright. I learned it by watching you!"
(reminded me of those anti-drug commercials from the 80's)
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:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:
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The bad news is Vault is NOT going to correct that error prone persons ways.
It will simply give you back up copies of back up copies of back up copies, of every file he or she touches.
Which a good file back up system is already doing for you.
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I think I'll just wait and talk to my reseller and Mr Wedding about it and see.
If you have any alternate suggestions of positive directions to advance, rather than telling me the brick wall you see in Vault then I'd prefer that. Unless I missed it, I haven't seen you do anything but trash one product. Proposing a better alternative, and why it's perceived as better, would be preferred.
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The bad news is Vault is NOT going to correct that error prone persons ways.
It will simply give you back up copies of back up copies of back up copies, of every file he or she touches.
Which a good file back up system is already doing for you.
No software can do that.
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I don't particularly care one way or the other about what happens with Vault. And I can see the new features James mentioned being welcome for some companies, especially if it allows them to solve WAN issues with a less-expensive solution than things like Riverbed Steelheads.
The big thing I don't like about Vault is actually not directly related to Vault itself. It's that the Vault has evidently led Autodesk to think they don't need any Project Management within Civil 3D, and that thought process has led them a long way down a bad path. And that has a negative impact on EVERY user of C3D, even the ones that are using Vault.
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A couple of things I detest about Vault.
One it still relies on user input to update who, what, and why the file was checked out to be edited MANUALLY.
Which if people were doing this out of habit already there would be no need for a vault like product to exist.
The other being the once a user checks a file out, they can simply close the file, and it never gets checked back in.
So there is still a lot of MANUAL input required for vault to really do it's job.
The other MAJOR issue as I, and now SINC have pointed out, it is NOT and does NOT provide any form of project associativity, or functionality for users of Civil 3D. It also doesn't allow sharing of Point data as a Data shortcut; still.
If they (autodesk) would listen to the customers, admit the shortcomings of applications and REMOVE or IMPROVE based on that feedback I wouldn't have the same complaints today about Vault as the First time I installed tested, and then removed it from my computer.
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Yesterday I had a training in Civil3D 2012 and there was a short note about Vault.
Vault will disappear and not be available as free for subscriptioners anymore. Instead of that there will be Vault Collaboration or something, which will cost per user an amount. As far as I understand it is not compatible. So people who invested last year in Vault do have a little problem now and hire someone to import and export data.
I did not see the new software but they've told me it is much better (but as long as people can check drawings out and forget them to place back and keep working sets on their own harddisk, I really don't think it is better software).
At least I do not think more positive about it after yesterday.
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Btw, in the new software there should be possibilities for data shortcuts, as they claim. Did not see the implementation though.
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Btw, in the new software there should be possibilities for data shortcuts, as they claim. Did not see the implementation though.
A key missing feature in the current and all past releases of vault, no short cuts for point data, and I asked this question directly and got no answer. So I will not assume that points can be shared, as surfaces and alignments, etc can be.
Interesting to note the PAY version will be incompatible with all previous versions.
The business case for Vault becomes even less compelling.
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Yesterday I had a training in Civil3D 2012 and there was a short note about Vault.
Huiz,
I think you perhaps misunderstood some of the information you were given. Vault will continue to be available for Civil 3D subscribers. The base Vault product have the same level of functionality as the version of Vault that we have offered to AutoCAD Subscription customers for a number of years. Existing users of Vault will be able to continue to use their data and drawings without change, and users who decide to upgrade can be easily moved. There will not be an import-export required, nor will customers have to pay someone to move their data. The one change is that base Vault (available as a Subscription benefit) does not understand the Civil 3D model and will not create references or shortcuts.
The main change is that Vault Collaboration AEC will be a for-pay product and includes the new functionality as I described earlier in the thread. This product ties in at a much lower level to the Civil 3D model than ever before, i.e. you can see which drawings make use of a particular alignment object via the reference mechanism, and you can see which objects are being referenced in a drawing all from the Vault application. The data shortcut mechanism within Civil 3D will be similar to in past releases where you used the Prospector Projects branch to create references, so that's not particularly new.
If you are an existing Vault customer, worried about how this change will effect you, or if you are interested in learning about how Vault could perhaps help your company, please send me a PM and we'll take this off the Swamp. Thanks.
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Yesterday I had a training in Civil3D 2012 and there was a short note about Vault.
If you are an existing Vault customer, worried about how this change will effect you, or if you are interested in learning about how Vault could perhaps help your company, please send me a PM and we'll take this off the Swamp. Thanks.
In the interest of full disclosure why would you take the conversation about Vault, and or it's replacement product away from this discussion? Starting a new thread I can understand. Hiding the details in some offline discussion, seems to be very disingenuous.
What are you trying to hide?
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Yesterday I had a training in Civil3D 2012 and there was a short note about Vault.
If you are an existing Vault customer, worried about how this change will effect you, or if you are interested in learning about how Vault could perhaps help your company, please send me a PM and we'll take this off the Swamp. Thanks.
In the interest of full disclosure why would you take the conversation about Vault, and or it's replacement product away from this discussion? Starting a new thread I can understand. Hiding the details in some offline discussion, seems to be very disingenuous.
What are you trying to hide?
LOL seriously!
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I've said before that I think these discussions are more appropriate at a personal or company level than on the internet. I listed above the main features that I think make Vault Collaboration AEC a pretty great tool, no need to reiterate. Michael has complained that my input here is nothing but sales hype. In an attempt to address both issues, I'll take these conversations offline.
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I've said before that I think these discussions are more appropriate at a personal or company level than on the internet. I listed above the main features that I think make Vault Collaboration AEC a pretty great tool, no need to reiterate. Michael has complained that my input here is nothing but sales hype. In an attempt to address both issues, I'll take these conversations offline.
No my complaint was that you took a conversation about VAULT and turned it into a sales presentation for Vault Collaboration AEC.
These conversation are not best held at a company level, as then you have only the salesperson, and your boss (you know the guy that STILL can't figure out paperspace) trying to decide of this product has any use of value to the company.
Lets keep the conversation right here, where one can get both sides of the conversation.
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These conversation are not best held at a company level, as then you have only the salesperson, and your boss (you know the guy that STILL can't figure out paperspace) trying to decide of this product has any use of value to the company.
Oh man..... good point.
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I've said before that I think these discussions are more appropriate at a personal or company level than on the internet. I listed above the main features that I think make Vault Collaboration AEC a pretty great tool, no need to reiterate. Michael has complained that my input here is nothing but sales hype. In an attempt to address both issues, I'll take these conversations offline.
No my complaint was that you took a conversation about VAULT and turned it into a sales presentation for Vault Collaboration AEC.
These conversation are not best held at a company level, as then you have only the salesperson, and your boss (you know the guy that STILL can't figure out paperspace) trying to decide of this product has any use of value to the company.
Lets keep the conversation right here, where one can get both sides of the conversation.
My boss is quite competent with Autocad, is no fool, and isn't easily swayed by smoke and mirrors, and allows me to do all the research before presenting him with the 'nuts and bolts' of how it will work here.
Resellers -do- have a valuable role to play still, as they can have a very strong hands-on experience with how the typical industry works around here, which is a major contributor to software selection. How much do you know about how oilfield works, MJF? Vector Graphics, Inc, in Lafayette, LA, is pretty well knowledgable, knows the trends, and has good feedback from a good number of power users on their success/fail with some software. They can also put me in touch (and have before) with power users in other companies so we can discuss it ourselves.
But I guess that doesn't fit into your private training sales bias. :) (u c wut i did thar?)
I'm still waiting to hear if you have any alternate suggestions that would be better than Vault.
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You tell me what you think you need an application to do; and I'll do my best to offer any and all applications that might serve your needs. My solutions will include all products, not only autodesk products. That would be the difference twixt myself and your local autodesk reseller.
Where one buys or what software one buys, has nothing to do with my training philosophy. That would be the beauty of working with an independent consultant; all possible options from multiple sources.
I do not need specific hands on oil field experience to help guide your software or training decisions.
The reason for that is that I will not presume to know your business, or it's needs, or even how they handle their data.
I will ask a lot of questions before offering any suggested solution, or changes to your work flow.
I will not sell you product because I do not sell any products, I will suggest, and offer training for those products I am qualified to.
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Our company policy on new software is to take into consideration what "everyone else" is using, as our company takes on new clients and works with other companies a great deal. So though -ideally- it shouldn't matter - it is actually a rather large hinge our decision rests upon that has served us well.
Now who's the sales pitcher? :roll: :roll: :roll:
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I wasn't selling you anything. I was explaining to you the difference in my services and how my training philosophy is not driven by any particular brand or company loyalty. My loyalty is to the customer, not a product.
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The main change is that Vault Collaboration AEC will be a for-pay product and includes the new functionality as I described earlier in the thread. This product ties in at a much lower level to the Civil 3D model than ever before
Statements like this make the Software Engineer in me shudder.
The Autodesk dev team is going further and further down the path of a "high-cohesion solution". This is forcing the Vault team to know more and more about every product that uses the Vault, and the Vault is getting more and more "aware" of the internal workings of each of those products. This is turning Vault into product with high potential to be unstable, as changes to any of the underlying products will have more and more potential to "break Vault", and fixes in one area of the Vault code have more and more potential to "break Vault" for other products.
Net result is we can expect Autodesk to start needing more and more developer-hours to create features that are more and more prone to bugs. [shudder]
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So...... how about that Buzzsaw?
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When two salesman start to beef about each others sales tactics ....... :ugly:
I saw the ignore poster button, is there an ignore thread button, or once you posted in a thread you're stuck watching the replies in your "new replies box"??
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When two salesman start to beef about each others sales tactics ....... :ugly:
I saw the ignore poster button, is there an ignore thread button, or once you posted in a thread you're stuck watching the replies in your "new replies box"??
Why would you do that?
This is what makes the Swamp great?
Letting the most passionate, knowledgeable people say what they want?
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Why would you do that?
This is what makes the Swamp great?
Letting the most passionate, knowledgeable people say what they want?
Aye barc .... this was decidedly mild interaction between these two. They have a mutual admiration society going on in this topic. A few years ago, I had to pull the plug on one of my own threads and even one started by Mark himself when their dialog took an unfortunate direction. Incidentally, I have had actual social and professional contact with both of these gentlemen and shared food and drink at their table albeit in separate locations. I respect them both and guarantee that choosing to ignore the posts of either will be a missed opportunity to learn.
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Why would you do that?
This is what makes the Swamp great?
Letting the most passionate, knowledgeable people say what they want?
Aye barc .... this was decidedly mild interaction between these two. They have a mutual admiration society going on in this topic. A few years ago, I had to pull the plug on one of my own threads and even one started by Mark himself when their dialog took an unfortunate direction. Incidentally, I have had actual social and professional contact with both of these gentlemen and shared food and drink at their table albeit in separate locations. I respect them both and guarantee that choosing to ignore the posts of either will be a missed opportunity to learn.
Regardless of the worth of any individual, watching two salesmen bit@$ about each others sales tactics is, for me, less than entertaining. Its not about the discussion being heated or mild, its about the value of the discussion to me. I don't wish to ignore either user, I don't even wish to ignore this thread. I'm just looking for a way to keep this thread and others in which I may have posted from showing up in my "new replies" list.
I'll be much more careful in choosing which threads to post responses in the future.
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Regardless of the worth of any individual, watching two salesmen bit@$ about each others sales tactics is, for me, less than entertaining.
It might be less than entertaining but there's a lot of value to these types of discussions. If you analyze at a distance you can find that in the mildly heated debates, you're getting true opposing opinions in the same trade matched with equal amount of references. Since the emotions are high, you know you're getting the truth from these guys. From that point on, you can then make an assessment as to who is right and why for your own personal gain. *wink wink* :wink:
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Regardless of the worth of any individual, watching two salesmen ~~
I understand, but I want to emphasize that the resumes for both of these gentlemen has "salesman" listed very low on their list of credentials. Both have been hammering away at Civil 3D from its initial "pre-release" CD was sent out in late 2004 or before, trying to figure out exactly how to tame the beast in the most efficient way possible. Their sales credentials are limited to the marketing of their services as trainers using their differing ideas of the best means to that end.
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Just for clarity there BARC, I am not a salesman, nor do I fill a sales role.
Mr. Wedding on the other hand IS a salesman and fills a sales role for autodesk and has stated so explicitly.
In short my complaint is the same as yours, in that the discussion appeared
to be hijacked and turned into a sales pitch for a product that on the surface
is the same as or no better than the free product that doesn't work for 90% of Civil Engineering firms.
So we are in agreement about that point.
Overall I wouldn't have an issue with someone trying to sell, as long as they kept the discussion in the public forum.
Or, as I asked the question arises, "what do they have to hide?". And if not hiding something then it is obvious
that the discussion had turned from one with technical merit to a sales presentation and is out of place.
Had the discussion remain focused on Vault and it's usability or lack thereof, I would have had no issue.
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Dino and Styk I quite understand that these guys may be the very best in their fields and it is the rare topic from which something can't be learned. However, the salesmen hats floated abruptly to the top of this discussion, and when that happens I'd just as soon not see the thread in my "new replies" list (the same with the photos thread and the "what book are you reading" thread for that matter). I know it's just two clicks to lose it for the day but I'm getting lazy in my old age.
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Higgs, I have no issue with anyone attempting to sell anything, software, services or whatever, I just don't find it entertaining to watch. I make no judgements about the worth of either of you or your positions. For the same reasons I don't have the home shopping network on my TV favorites list, I'd like to "unsubscribe" from this thread. Knowing now that posting a reply in a thread forever enslaves me to it, I will be much more careful in the future.
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It's not a sales pitch if you are a 3rd party user and believe in the product from personal experience. It then becomes a mentor offering real-world advice.
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Why would you do that?
This is what makes the Swamp great?
Letting the most passionate, knowledgeable people say what they want?
Aye barc .... this was decidedly mild interaction between these two. They have a mutual admiration society going on in this topic. A few years ago, I had to pull the plug on one of my own threads and even one started by Mark himself when their dialog took an unfortunate direction. Incidentally, I have had actual social and professional contact with both of these gentlemen and shared food and drink at their table albeit in separate locations. I respect them both and guarantee that choosing to ignore the posts of either will be a missed opportunity to learn.
Regardless of the worth of any individual, watching two salesmen bit@$ about each others sales tactics is, for me, less than entertaining. Its not about the discussion being heated or mild, its about the value of the discussion to me. I don't wish to ignore either user, I don't even wish to ignore this thread. I'm just looking for a way to keep this thread and others in which I may have posted from showing up in my "new replies" list.
I'll be much more careful in choosing which threads to post responses in the future.
It's sooooo easy to ignore.... Don't read it.... ;-)
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I have for sale a 'Remove from New Post List tool'
Sorry sales pitch
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It's not a sales pitch if you are a 3rd party user and believe in the product from personal experience. It then becomes a mentor offering real-world advice.
Did you read the same half a dozen posts I did before I posted, I saw very little mentoring of any kind, just two salesmen bit@$ing about the others tactics. If you liked it, feel free to carry on, I just don't want it poppong up in my "New Replies" list ... but it seems I'm stuck with it.
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Thank god we have members here looking out for my best interests to save me from private conversations. Who knows what I could fall victim to if I didn't have people telling me who, when, and where to talk to people? I might have to make my own decisions, then!
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It's sooooo easy to ignore.... Don't read it.... ;-)
I have to at least click on it to get it to go away from my list. I have 7 or 8 there now I wish I'd never posted to, but then a life without mistakes is one not lived, right?
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Thank god we have members here looking out for my best interests to save me from private conversations. Who knows what I could fall victim to if I didn't have people telling me who, when, and where to talk to people? I might have to make my own decisions, then!
Second time in a week I've danged near choked on my samich. :)
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I have for sale a 'Remove from New Post List tool'
Sorry sales pitch
How much ... or do we have to take it private??
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www.theswamp.org needs to be changed to www.thebarcswamp.org apparently. :lmao:
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I have for sale a 'Remove from New Post List tool'
Sorry sales pitch
How much ... or do we have to take it private??
Just Joking
trying to lighten the mood
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Just Joking
trying to lighten the mood
Thanks Jeff H, is appreciated
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www.theswamp.org needs to be changed to www.thebarcswamp.org apparently. :lmao:
Oh I see how the swamp operates, a user has an issue and instead of discussing the issue other users ridicule the first one. Ohh okay, good to know, thanks.
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I have for sale a 'Remove from New Post List tool'
Sorry sales pitch
How much ... or do we have to take it private??
Just Joking
trying to lighten the mood
Me too, apparently I failed.
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Oh I see how the swamp operates, a user has an issue and instead of discussing the issue other users ridicule the first one. Ohh okay, good to know, thanks.
Not usually barc
There is not much remedy I can offer but this may work for you at least for future postings. Available in the notification area in your Profile settings is this:
Turn notification on when you post or reply to a topic.
You can uncheck that box and you will not automatically be notified but will have the option to watch any topic and be notified of any posts to any topic you are interested in following.
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I know it's hard to execute sarcasm through textual postings, which is why I threw in the lmao icon. Just joking man!! My apologies if I insulted. ;-)
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I have for sale a 'Remove from New Post List tool'
Sorry sales pitch
having no use of the Notify operation in the first place, would buying this product be of any use to me?
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I know it's hard to execute sarcasm through textual postings, which is why I threw in the lmao icon. Just joking man!! My apologies if I insulted. ;-)
< sarcasm > your text here </ sarcasm > 8-)
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< sarcasm >really</ sarcasm >
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I know it's hard to execute sarcasm through textual postings, which is why I threw in the lmao icon. Just joking man!! My apologies if I insulted. ;-)
< sarcasm > your text here </ sarcasm > 8-)
Mark, does that check box I posted have any effect after one has posted in a topic? I just leave my notifications off lest I become literally "SWAMPED" with notifications.
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I know it's hard to execute sarcasm through textual postings, which is why I threw in the lmao icon. Just joking man!! My apologies if I insulted. ;-)
< sarcasm > your text here </ sarcasm > 8-)
Mark, does that check box I posted have any effect after one has posted in a topic? I just leave my notifications off lest I become literally "SWAMPED" with notifications.
I do not know, off hand.
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Wow. Asking for money for the enhanced version of a product that never worked for C3D with the promise that, what, it really works now? I've heard that from them in many different forms for the last 20 years. I was one of the fortunate CAD Managers who spotted th vault trap early on and recommended we not implement. That was 5 versions ago and I've kept my eye on it ever since with no hope of it becoming useful.
Autodesk would be wise to market the new features, if they work, continue to push it out for free for a couple releases and then do a major upgrade for $$ once some people understand how it would beneifit their group. Still sucky business, but at least it makes sense rather than this type of grab that will most likely fail miserably because of vaults track record.
I would HIGHLY recommend you hold passing judgment until you've at least reviewed Vault Collaboration AEC 2012. We have made significant changes to the way Vault & C3D interact as well as the way your data can be shared with outside parties. VC AEC will NOT be free with Subscription, it is a separate purchase.
While you may still find that VC AEC doesn't do anything to improve your particular situation, I just encourage all of you to make sure you understand the latest product improvements before writing off a pretty powerful tool for Civil firms. Visit with your reseller, they should understand your business and situation to be of real help in making these evaluations. If your reseller doesn't have the answers to satisfy you, please ask them to contact me via the Frontline team at Autodesk.
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"fear of having to deal with -you-"
<eyeroll> We've all got our opoinions. I doubt this guys scaring anyone who has a valid one away. 'cept (maybe) you I guess.
I think the forum would benefit if you would be less of a turd to Autodesk whenever someone worth listening to pipes up. Believe it or not, we don't all want to listen to -only you- on these topics, and your vitriolic and confrontational attitude comes through pretty strongly, and we all know it chases away valuable resources that would otherwise contribute more if it were not for fear of having to deal with -you-
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I know it's hard to execute sarcasm through textual postings, which is why I threw in the lmao icon. Just joking man!! My apologies if I insulted. ;-)
:-( I guess :lol: I need to start :-o adding smilies as well :wink: I wasn't insulted :pissed: (that's hard to do by the way) :ugly: I was just trying :angel: to play along. :mrgreen: :whistle: :loco:
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I know it's hard to execute sarcasm through textual postings, which is why I threw in the lmao icon. Just joking man!! My apologies if I insulted. ;-)
:-( I guess :lol: I need to start :-o adding smilies as well :wink: I wasn't insulted :pissed: (that's hard to do by the way) :ugly: I was just trying :angel: to play along. :mrgreen: :whistle: :loco:
. (http://www.theswamp.org/screens/band.gif)
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Sweet, where'd you find those?? ummm... that???
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Sweet, where'd you find those?? ummm... that???