i'm aware of that mark i have mine set to middle of top line but if you look in properties it is top left justified. i'm am encountering problem when doing match properties the text is going from centered to below or above. i have another question ,if you don't mind, what do you think should be the text wrap setting per scale and is there a way to put that in dimension styles yet other than manually specifying each time you create a leader? also i've posted a question to your dimension override proggie in show your stuff section. thanks