Keith,what AutoCad package are you running? I don't know about all of the offers, but my company uses the Land Developement Dektop via the subscription service from AutoDesk. Evidently you get extra stuff when you use the Desktop packages. I was expecting AutoCad, the Civil pac and the Survey pac when we purchase AutoCad. Then they threw in Map and CadOverlay (evidently now called "Autodesk Raster Design". Odd, they send me stuff I don't need and short change others ? AHHHH AutoDesk !!! You gotta love 'em!!!