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Name this forum
« on: November 15, 2005, 02:02:48 PM »
Want to change the name?

Right now this forum is for members only, change it?
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« Reply #1 on: November 15, 2005, 02:11:23 PM »
Noah's Arx.

Ok it's lame -> you do better.

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As for visibility, it should be the same as the other programmer's forums, like vb, lisp et. al.
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« Reply #2 on: November 15, 2005, 02:16:02 PM »
Noah's Arx.

Ok it's lame -> you do better.

:)

As for visibility, it should be the same as the other programmer's forums, like vb, lisp et. al.

Actually, the name is fine, I'd just capitalize Programming:

ARX Programming

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« Reply #3 on: November 15, 2005, 02:42:52 PM »
Public of private? ... we need a tie breaker. :-)
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« Reply #4 on: November 15, 2005, 02:44:43 PM »
private

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« Reply #5 on: November 15, 2005, 02:46:19 PM »
Public, it's not like anyone is coding nasa / cia type secret applications.

Or are they?

Also, it may entice some lurkers to actually sign up.

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« Reply #6 on: November 15, 2005, 02:50:42 PM »
Public wouldn't be so bad if guests can't post.

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« Reply #7 on: November 15, 2005, 02:51:56 PM »
Guests cannot post.

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« Reply #8 on: November 15, 2005, 02:55:04 PM »
Then someone amend my previous post to say public. With content it could be good publicity for TheSwamp.

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« Reply #9 on: November 15, 2005, 03:01:53 PM »
Why should it be different from other programmer's forums?
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« Reply #10 on: November 15, 2005, 03:09:24 PM »
No forum allows public posting. Only the language and CAD forums are viewable by the public.
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« Reply #11 on: November 15, 2005, 03:09:35 PM »
Just to be clear ... Private forums are the ones you cannot see until you log in. Conversely, public ones are visible without logging in.

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« Reply #12 on: November 15, 2005, 03:20:12 PM »
It's 2:1 in favor of public ... going once .... twice ...
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« Reply #13 on: November 15, 2005, 03:24:53 PM »
Public

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« Reply #14 on: November 15, 2005, 03:27:50 PM »
Sold!! Public it is ...
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« Reply #15 on: November 15, 2005, 03:32:34 PM »
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« Reply #16 on: November 15, 2005, 03:33:52 PM »
I don't think an hour and twenty minutes is a fair debate.  There's lots of people who haven't had a chance to read this thread.  I would have voted to keep it private.  But then I don't know how to program in ARX and therefor probably won't visit this forum much.  Just another 2 cents.

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« Reply #17 on: November 15, 2005, 03:38:25 PM »
Public.  Seems to me that is what the Swamp is all about.  C'est non?


Forum name
ARX Scientia

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« Reply #18 on: November 15, 2005, 03:39:22 PM »
Loosely translates from Latin as "fortress of knowledge."

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« Reply #19 on: November 15, 2005, 03:40:51 PM »
I don't think an hour and twenty minutes is a fair debate

True!

Keep those pennies coming .....
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« Reply #20 on: November 15, 2005, 03:41:56 PM »
Should we make the lisp, vb etc. forums private? Why? Help me out, 'cause I just don't understand the benefit or what we'd be protecting.
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« Reply #21 on: November 15, 2005, 03:48:43 PM »
'Private' Pros and Cons

Pros:
Keeps the 2 centsers out of the way.
Keeps posting of intellectual property from being plagurized

Cons:
Seems a bit 'Elite-ist'
Joe Shmoe doesn't learn anything

And thats my 2 cents.

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« Reply #22 on: November 15, 2005, 03:51:50 PM »
'Private' Pros and Cons

Pros:
1. Keeps the 2 centsers out of the way.
2. Keeps posting of intellectual property from being plagurized

1. Eh?
2. No it doesn't. All Joe Thief has to do is create an account.
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« Reply #23 on: November 15, 2005, 03:55:02 PM »
Oh, well then, whats the difference.

I say PUBLIC.

Note to self:
"Gonna Learn ARX"

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« Reply #24 on: November 15, 2005, 03:56:42 PM »
Should we make the lisp, vb etc. forums private? Why? Help me out, 'cause I just don't understand the benefit or what's being hidden.

Rewind myself.... I think here is a lost in translation thing..... The way I see it is as it is now, just the forums that are public leave it as-is, inside for register members, we simply are adding [MT] a new forum, and anyone will be welcome.

That's all.
Right now, Autolisp, VB(A), .NET, CAD General(and sub-categories), Vertically Challenged (and sub-categories) is what is public.  Why should ARX be private when ALL of the other CAD & CAD Programming boards are public.  Seems to me that it might well attract new members.  As for intellectual property being plagurized, same as anywhere else here or for that matter, anywhere else on the internet, in print, or anywhere else that anyone can see it.  If you don't wan't someone to use it, don't let them see it.

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« Reply #25 on: November 15, 2005, 04:03:23 PM »
IMO public is good as there are very few forums where you can ask/post questions about arx and being public may encourage more experienced developers to join in. Even though there may only be a few people registered who are coding arx, this still could build a resource for new arx coders when they decide to give it a go.
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« Reply #26 on: November 15, 2005, 04:17:04 PM »
What I would like on this type of forum is participation, communication in my opinion it is required in this type of language.... if people just come and grabs code or portions of code, without doing nothing?.... I really do not mind to give away code, but again, in my poor opinion I would prefer to have a dialogue, like the one we have right now.... but I do not have the last word..... and I know I might be wrong.
How is that different than any of the other coding forums?  None of them are code repositories, nor should they be.  I understand that ARX is more complex but dialog is an important part of all of them.  The plus side to ARX, unlike VBA, lisp, etc. is that it takes a much higher degree of knowledge and ability, not to mention software, to go from a blurb of source to a usable application so I think that you are a lot more likely to get dialog from someone who trips over a thread than you would from the other languages.

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« Reply #27 on: November 15, 2005, 04:24:16 PM »
Want to change the name?

Right now this forum is for members only, change it?

Toys ARX Us?

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« Reply #28 on: November 15, 2005, 04:34:25 PM »
ARX a question

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« Reply #29 on: November 15, 2005, 04:37:35 PM »
Or in deference to Luis...

Keep your ARX out of here!


(Just joking Luis.)

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« Reply #30 on: November 15, 2005, 05:08:11 PM »
The ARXidental Language

or


ARXology - The study of things that make that vein in your forehead pop out...
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« Reply #31 on: November 15, 2005, 05:14:24 PM »
Hmm.  The other programming forums seem to have fairly straight-forward names, so "ARX Programming" would fit right in.  I did like "ARX a question" though.

On the public versus private issue, am I correct in assuming that guests can't even tell that the private forums exist?  If so, then a casual visitor in search of help with ARX programming would never even know that ARX was being discussed at the swamp if the forum was made private.  Seems counterproductive.

I don't like the idea of some troll poaching my code without participating here in a meaningful way any more than the next person, but I have reconciled myself to that possibility in order that I might be able to help those do contribute.

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« Reply #32 on: November 15, 2005, 07:10:00 PM »
. . . but I have reconciled myself to that possibility in order that I might be able to help those that do contribute.

You're a good man Chuck Gabriel, it's an honor to have you with us.
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« Reply #33 on: November 15, 2005, 07:13:46 PM »
What about...


The ARX Hole

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« Reply #34 on: November 15, 2005, 07:15:16 PM »
Let me echo what Mark said, it is a generous man who contributes his knowledge and expertise solely to help others.

Kudos to you Mr. Gabriel.
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« Reply #35 on: November 15, 2005, 07:18:39 PM »
I went to look at augi into the arx forum... nada, nil, niep, zero is there....

Also, the arxdummies blog by Fernando Malard.... same .... no participants.....

And if we go to the adesk arx, very little traffic and few that are willing to answer over there....

What others places we have for objectARX [apart of the ADN] ? to be a good resource ?

Apologies for the cliche but ... build it and they will come. In other words, make > this place < the resource.

The lisp and vb forums started out empty, look at 'em today, 16000 and 1500 posts respectively, not too shabby at all.

Just continue what you all do so well, pen articles, ask questions, participating in discussions, before you know it, it will be an enviable knowledge base, bar none.

I only ask one thing of all of you who use this, and do so as a fellow user of this great forum Mr. Thomas provides us --

Please use descriptive titles.

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« Reply #36 on: November 15, 2005, 07:28:06 PM »
Ok, I say make it public under one condition, that the casual unregistered user CANNOT download files nor see code without first registering and becoming a member of TheSwamp community. Now that I have said that, the reason I feel strongly about this is that:

All code in other publicly viewable threads cannot be readily plagiarized without some serious code modification, i.e. by it's very nature lisp and vba are meant to be utilized from an uncompiled state and most users will not go to the effort to do so, plus any lisp or vb(a) code can be recreated much easier and faster than attempting to change it enough to hide it's origins. For ARX it is completely different, as it by necessity MUST be compiled and while we may be able to obtain a compiled executable for a project that originated here, we will NEVER be privy to the source used to compile that executable, thus would never be able to pursue and action against unscrupulous users. For example, if I am needing help on a specific item and post code for users to review and comment on, as a community, we will know who had access to the code, thus if it turned up elsewhere as a commercial application, we would know exactly where to start. On the flip side if unregistered users are allowed unfettered access to all manner of code, we will have absolutely no way to track who, what or when the code was utilized for other purposes outside the melp the forum is designed to provide.

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« Reply #37 on: November 15, 2005, 07:40:08 PM »
... as a community, we will know who had access to the code, thus if it turned up elsewhere as a commercial application, we would know exactly where to start.

I appreciate your point of view and concerns Keith, I really do, but I'm sorry, the suggestion that requiring a swamp registration will remedy the problem is plain flawed.

Howdy I'm Ethicless Joe, you can reach me at EthiclessJoe@TempEmailsForFree.com. I just registered at the swamp woo hoo. I gets me all the code I wants. Me and ten friends did that just this week.

'Course, my name isn't Joe, and my email was created merely for the swamp registration, same with me buds. Try and find us. Ha ha.


If you don't want code passed around or used in less than honorable ways there is only one solution:

Do not post it to ANY forum(s).
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« Reply #38 on: November 15, 2005, 09:15:40 PM »
perhaps, but of course most people would not bother to register ....

As far as your point with the free email account just to register with theswamp, I suppose that might be the case, however I was under the impression that new registrations were not allowed with free email services unless personally approved by Mark ... maybe I am wrong, but I thought that additional level of security was there ...

Keep in mind I am not trying to be an ogre about sharing code, however, in todays society, as you have well pointed out, there are those who would prefer to steal code and republish as their own over making a simple attempt to produce a program that suits their need with the occasional aid from others.

I would probably be very leery about posting large segments of code snippits unless I was sure that I wanted the resulting programming to be fully disseminated world wide. I regret that I must be that way, but when you spend a great deal of your time developing programming for hire, you must be VERY CAREFUL of what is posted and who has access to those postings.

I would like to think that the vast majority of people here are average users simply looking for a better (or easier) way to do a task and that they are also pretty well respectable and upstanding people,  but I also acknowledge that I have nothing to judge that by except with the interaction I have enjoyed with the multitude of talent that exists on this forum. That being said, it is that interaction that allows me to judge whether or not I should or should not post certain things.

Either way, I will support the decision ...

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« Reply #39 on: November 15, 2005, 09:36:24 PM »
Well said Keith. Like I said, I appreciate your concern, I share it too.

But Chuck summed it up best so I'll just let his words stand as a testimonial of the spirit of this place.

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« Reply #40 on: November 15, 2005, 09:54:24 PM »
I learn <almost> as much by posting answers as I do from reading the posts of others.

I hope that some of the lurkers out there take that as an invitation to post occasionally.

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« Reply #41 on: November 16, 2005, 08:56:12 AM »
If I post code to any forums, I assume that I am placing it in the public domain.

The other thing that I noticed about code posted in forums - usually they are very specific to the question being asked. I have very rarely found code that I could use directly. More often then not, I have simply taken the idea that was presented in the solution and rolled my own code. For the cases that I could use the code directly, I rolled my own because I didn't understand what the code was doing, or it wasn't written in a format that I don't like (I am picky on naming conventions and general layout) or it wouldn't fit into the overall structure of the rest of my program.

I don't see any danger in making the forum readonly because most of the solutions posted will most likely be one-liners or small functions. However, there is the case where a member in good standing requires help debugging (in this case an arx program) and they can't do it. So a member would ask them to post the code. Well in this case they may be reluctant because it is proprietary in nature. That could be dealt with using PM and if when a solution is found the person who found the solution could write up a short blurb on what the solution is and post it in the thread. This would give future browsers the solution without compromising proprietary code.

But that is my 2 cents

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« Reply #42 on: November 16, 2005, 10:22:12 AM »
To repeat what has been said before, If a forum is not viewable to guests how will they know it exists?

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« Reply #43 on: November 16, 2005, 10:47:47 AM »
I stumbled upon this place by chance. I saw theswamp.org in an email address on pn.cadmanager and decided to check out the url. I saw a VB forum, my interest at the time, and decided to stick around and see what this place had to offer. Chances are I would have seen theswamp as a place only for lispers and moved on had that forum been kept private.

And just because you need to be register to view a forum does not mean you will participate in said forum. Take a look at our member list and sort by number of posts in ascending order. That's right, roughly 385 people with 0 posts. They're just "leeching" away without participating.

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« Reply #44 on: November 17, 2005, 05:32:09 AM »
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They're just "leeching" away without participating.

I see it a different way. The "0" posters may not be CAD experts and feel that their questions may seem inane to you. They may not have posted because their question is a very basic CAD question. Yes there may be some out there that are looking without wanting to participate, but there are probably a good many of the "0"s that dont want to seem embarrased about how little they know.

Just my thoughts.

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« Reply #45 on: November 17, 2005, 09:30:14 AM »
I didn't mean it that way. I was more or less saying they have full access to all code and articles posted here without participating. Just trying to make a point that user registration doesn't equal user participation.