Topic: Details Paperspace or Modelspace?

[TimSpangler]

This is to all of you architectural types.  How do you handle your deatils and sections views?  Are the placed in Modlespace and annotated in Paperspace or are the placed in paperspace with the annotation already on them?

I have loads of standard details (footers, walls, etc) which are already noted.  I currently place them in model space then chane the text scale til it comes out looking good.  I have also played with just plopping them in paperspace and inverting the scale of the detail to fit the paper.  I am looking for differant ways of handling details and section to limit the amount of textstyles.

Also I currently draw the floor plan then x-ref it into the sheet drawing then I use layer control to show what needs to be shown in PS.  Has anyone used the sheetset manager? is it easy to use? Is it easy to set up?

Just fishing for other ways of controlling the drawing to see if there is an easier way.

Thanks

[whdjr]

Our firm tends to put them in Paperspace as to cut down on the number of regens for a viewport.  We draw the detail full scale and them annotate it to scale and then xref it to paperspace to scale.

[Fish]

I like having everything in paperspace so I draw the detail to scale and then scale it appropriately.  I make sure I note the scale factor below the detail on a layer that doesn't print.  My text and dims are in paperspace.

[Keith™]

details are in MS ... as they are part of the model ... with the advent of polygonal viewports it is simple to do a cut section on a specific point in the drawing and annotate that particular object. Of course that is on those that we actually "use" PS .... most of our drawings are simply not complex enough to justify the extra involved with maintaining PS

[TimSpangler]

Our firm tends to put them in Paperspace as to cut down on the number of regens for a viewport.  We draw the detail full scale and them annotate it to scale and then xref it to paperspace to scale.

I like that idea.  When you say you annotate them to scale how is this accomplished. If I xref it in at an inverted 1/4"=1' the text would be differant scale then if i xrefed it in at say 1/2"=1'

The text size is the biggest thing, triing to keep it uniform acrossed all sheets.  It would be nice if it got scaled like ltscale, based on the vport scale so if i annoted the detail text at 1/8" it would be scaled according to the vport scale.

Just dreaming I guess.

[jwisherd]

We draw everything in model space at full scale (feel there is greater accuracy) I then use polygonal mviews zoomed into a section for the detail, and note it in paperspace (locked mview). Both my sections and details are one in the same, becauses this reduces the number of objects to draw.

[TimSpangler]

I agree with drawing everything once then mview it to paperspace, great concept.  But i already have details drawn and annotated that i just drop into the drawing (MS) then I ceate vports to show that particular detail.  I then put the view title in PS and all of the annotation is still in MS I then go to MS select all of the text for that particular detail then I change the text height to show accordingly to the Vport scale.

It was just recently that I used to draw the Floorplan then I would copy it as many times as I need to for the differant disciplines. (OUCH alot of work if a change was needed.

I now create the Floorplan save it as MasterFloorPlan then xref it into the main drawing and I just draw everything on one floor plan and use layers to control the differant layouts (Electrical, Plumbing, etc),  This however has some limitations (based on not knowing enough about it probably).  When I change layouts i want differant layer states to show (How do you get this to work?).  I got a tool from DotSoft that works good except for the fact that when you change layouts it sets all the layer colors to white.

[CAB]

Changing Layer States
http://www.theswamp.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=5516

[CAB]

More on the drawing methods.
http://www.theswamp.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1248&highlight=floors

http://www.theswamp.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2932&highlight=second+floor

[hudster]

I have all my standard details the same size, and they are inserted into model space at the scale of the drawing so all the text etc is the same in all of them.

[CADaver]

"Standard Details" are on a sheet already, we just reference that sheet.

Custom details are just "zoomed in" parts of the model, annotated in PS.

[Dinosaur]

My first cad job was with some structural engineers, 1990, r10, no paperspace and no clue how to be efficient.  We built our detail library from scratch as each detail from their book was used on a project.  It was mandatory that the cad drawings resemble as closely as possible the look of hand drafted sheets.  Each detail had the same allotted space on the sheet - 12 per D size and 20 for E size drawings - each detail was a seperate drawing file that was modified as needed for individual applications.  No unused details were to be included so each detail sheet was unique for every project.  For ease of plotting, all titleblocks were at the plan scale of 1/8" = 1' in modelspace of course which meant calculating the scale factor to insert the details.  They remained blocks that were redefined when changes were made.  All very old school, but on reflection it worked quite well and the only thing I know that I would do differently even now in that situation would be xref the details into a 1:1 paperspace titleblock.

[whdjr]

"Standard Details" are on a sheet already, we just reference that sheet...

You guys aren't one of those companies that have a sheet with 20 details on it and 15 of the details have a square with a big 'X' thru it because they are not used on this job?  I hate that.  It just means people are too lazy to make a sheet specific for the project.

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[ronjonp]

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You guys aren't one of those companies that have a sheet with 20 details on it and 15 of the details have a square with a big 'X' thru it because they are not used on this job? I hate that. It just means people are too lazy to make a sheet specific for the project.

I hate that too. We had to do that for a couple of jobs for the Army Corps.

[CADaver]

You guys aren't one of those companies that have a sheet with 20 details on it and 15 of the details have a square with a big 'X' thru it because they are not used on this job?

We don't bother putting the X thru the unused detail.  It's a generic detail sheet to which one is sent from the plans.  You're working the plans, it tells you to see detail 13 on sheet 28, you go find detail 13 on sheet 28.  You shouldn't know or care that detail 14 is never used on the project.

It just means people are too lazy to make a sheet specific for the project.

No, it means time is money and I'm on a fixed fee.  The project specific sheet comes out of my profit.  BUZZZZZ!! wrong answer.