Topic: For the old timers

[Mark]

Found this whilst cleaning the closet the other day.

[MickD]

mint condition too

[Greg B]

Cool....3D print of the save icon!

[rkmcswain]

Miller Freeman Books. Founded 1902, Defunct in 2000. Not a bad run.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller_Freeman,_Inc.

[CAB]

Ah, just like me.
Never throw anything away.

[Dinosaur]

If it was only on a 5 1/4 floppy ...

[Mark]

If it was only on a 5 1/4 floppy ...

LOL ...........

[ChrisCarlson]

Probably some good stuff on there still.

[PKENEWELL]

Ha! I had a copy of that until last year - when we were "purging" unused stuff at home. 

[Jeremy Dunn]

Sorry guys, you aren't an old timer unless you can remember doing it by hand with a drafting pencil and compass. 

[Dinosaur]

Well then, what about those little sandpaper pads for pointing pencil leads or perhaps a drop bow compass when the little Timely templates were not yet available.  My Ames lettering guide is a bit long in the tooth as well along with the old Leroy lettering system that had a sleeve for open ink wells instead of the Rapidograph style pens.  I used all of these on diazo paper and linen media except early on when there was this oil based reprographic sytem.

[JohnK]

^ Those words look like English but...

[kdub_nz]

^ Those words look like English but...

That may be because you'e a young whippersnapper.

Personally I used a fine file, not a sandpaper block ...

[Dinosaur]

Did you ever use a pointed end on heavy gauge aluminum wire for guide lines rather than ultra hard or non-photo colored leads?

[efernal]

I have this...

[Marc'Antonio Alessi]

I have this:

[rkmcswain]

[Jeff H]

^ Those words look like English but...

LOL

[Greg B]

^ Those words look like English but...

LOL

Please don't encourage him.

[Jeremy Dunn]

Don't worry Dinosaur, we remember the days when manly men, men of valor had to switch to a 2nd electric eraser or even a 3rd because the first one was starting to burn your hand. These softies haven't had hand cramps from hand lettering a notes page all day long or been knocked over from the smell of dilute acid solution to erase an ink drawing. They haven't known the frustration of having to copy something over and over without the help of software or enduring the ammonia smell of the blueprint machine for hours or the pain of having your elbow bumped after ink lettering for hours. Oh yes, the happiness of watching your newly completed drawing being crunched up in the blueprint machine or having an engineer slop his coffee onto it while he is jawing at your desk. The young-uns have missed out on so many things,

[rkmcswain]

I'll just leave this here...

[JohnK]

$820 a month? That’s less then $5 an hour. ...And no layoffs?!

[cmwade77]

Well then, what about those little sandpaper pads for pointing pencil leads or perhaps a drop bow compass when the little Timely templates were not yet available.  My Ames lettering guide is a bit long in the tooth as well along with the old Leroy lettering system that had a sleeve for open ink wells instead of the Rapidograph style pens.  I used all of these on diazo paper and linen media except early on when there was this oil based reprographic sytem.

Don't forget non-repro blue pencils.

[cmwade77]

$820 a month? That’s less then $5 an hour. ...And no layoffs?!

The question is what year was that? Ok, I  found that it appears to be 1970, let's break this down a bit:
Income was from $350 to $820 per month. The average work week in 1970 was 43.1 hours per week. I am assuming two weeks of paid vacation is included in these numbers, so that works out to about 180 hours a month.
At $350 per month, that comes out to about $1.95 per hour, adjusting for inflation, that is $12.74 per hour in today's money.
At $820 per month, that comes out to about $4.56 per hour, adjusting for inflation, that is $29.79 per hour in today's money.

At the higher end, it means many of us are not making the equivalent of what we would have been considered to be worth back in 1970. I think this needs to change.

[Dlanor]

I love the smiley template 

[Dinosaur]

I should have been so lucky ... my first full time gig paid 2.75/hour.  The ammonia fumes from the diazo 5 ft from my desk were free, however.  I still have my 53 yr old set of instruments similar to those in that ad in my go bag of favorite tools that I didn't want to unpack

[JohnK]

I’ve already decided my kids are not going to follow me in this field. I’ll be damned if they have to deal with the crap we’ve had to put up with these last few years.

[Dinosaur]

I’ve already decided my kids are not going to follow me in this field. I’ll be damned if they have to deal with the crap we’ve had to put up with these last few years.

Last FEW years?  Kerry was correct, you ARE a young whippersnapper ...

[JohnK]

Yeah, but most people are young to Kerry. He goes to the museum for his class reunion.

[Dinosaur]

I love the smiley template 

I preferred the style with the series of small holes down the middle rather than the long slot.  That style was the original LTSCALE - just draw a line, overlay the shield and erase the gaps for the appropriate line type.

[kdub_nz]

Yeah, but most people are young to Kerry. He goes to the museum for his class reunion.

I resemble that remark.

[rkmcswain]

The question is what year was that? Ok, I  found that it appears to be 1970

FWIW - I scanned that from a 1968 magazine.
Pretty close.

For reference, gas was about $0.34/gallon
Milk, $0.99/gallon
A Big Mac, $0.49
New base Mustang, $2700

[JohnK]

Yeah, but most people are young to Kerry. He goes to the museum for his class reunion.

I resemble that remark.

Lol

[Mark]

A Big Mac, $0.49

SOB, who knew! I thought it was much later than '68

It was introduced in the Greater Pittsburgh area, United States, in 1967 and nationwide in 1968. It is one of the company's signature products.

[Greg B]

Yeah, but most people are young to Kerry. He goes to the museum for his class reunion.

I warned you guys not to encourage him.

[Dinosaur]

The question is what year was that? Ok, I  found that it appears to be 1970

FWIW - I scanned that from a 1968 magazine.
Pretty close.

For reference, gas was about $0.34/gallon
Milk, $0.99/gallon
A Big Mac, $0.49
New base Mustang, $270

Doomed they were ... the die was already cast,  My first CAD exposure was in 1970 when our instructor finished out the term by showing us the codes to make rudimentary drawings in FORTRAN.  He even gave us sheets of punch card images to create our own ... the real things being too expensive esp with no mainframe available for an actual run.

[JohnK]

Yeah, but most people are young to Kerry. He goes to the museum for his class reunion.

I warned you guys not to encourage him.

HA!

[DeeGeeCees_V.2.0]

After a year or so of drafting on the board and then fumbling around with AutoCad 10 and 11 for a while after, I had to learn some automation and tablet customization with the help of George O. Head:



...but I think I've stumbled across some of those routines on that floppy in the OP too.

I'll just leave this here...

"You Need No Drawing Skill-No Technical Ability"

Some of the people I've hired in the past few years really took this to heart.

[Dinosaur]

"You Need No Drawing Skill-No Technical Ability"

Some of the people I've hired in the past few years really took this to heart.

Not so much with those who spent serious time doing old school on the boards but some of this bunch who used CAD right from the gate ... there are words to describe but none fit to print here

[DeeGeeCees_V.2.0]

"You Need No Drawing Skill-No Technical Ability"

Some of the people I've hired in the past few years really took this to heart.

Not so much with those who spent serious time doing old school on the boards but some of this bunch who used CAD right from the gate ... there are words to describe but none fit to print here

When I come across a project started from... one of those people... it's generally easier to just redraw it.

Expletive.

[dgorsman]

Anyone skip the electric eraser entirely, and use the razor-sharp edge of the shield to shave the lines off the drawing instead?

[rkmcswain]

Anyone skip the electric eraser entirely, and use the razor-sharp edge of the shield to shave the lines off the drawing instead?

In more recent years, when it comes time to "erase" from mylar, it's easier to scrape it off with an X-Acto knife than it is to erase it traditionally with that erasing shield...

[Dinosaur]

Anyone skip the electric eraser entirely, and use the razor-sharp edge of the shield to shave the lines off the drawing instead?

In more recent years, when it comes time to "erase" from mylar, it's easier to scrape it off with an X-Acto knife than it is to erase it traditionally with that erasing shield...

I worked at an unnamed international engineering firm that I will only refer to as B&V in the early 80's where that would be cause for immediate termination.  They were so protective of their original plan document that even electric erasers were banned from the building. Once started they were almost never discarded no matter how extensive the revision.  Often, the chemical tooth on the mylar was worn to the point any ink or plastic lead would no longer stick so we were issued a special pencil that could write on glass to erase the errant detail from one of the sheets.  One time a set of plans was sent to the local reprographics shop for reduced bid sets and a last minute revision was requested.  Shop was alerted and the lead tech was sent to the rescue.  He came back earlier than expected looking pale and shaken.  Apparently the shop had corrected the problem on their own by cutting it out of the precious design document with an Exacto knife.  The next closest shop was another 10 miles distant but that company never worked for them again while I was there.