I saw that you are not in acad and was afraid of this might be the difference. time consuming or not, i need to figure out a way to get the funcionality from my acad shop drawing vlisp into REVIT MEP. all Revit gurus are telling me that it isn't here yet, so i try to find a different way in the mean time. but since there are a lot of shop drawings to be made, i don't mind poking a bit