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Re: Invisible viewport
« Reply #45 on: January 09, 2015, 04:18:19 PM »
Quote from: Bethrine on January 09, 2015, 04:16:18 PM
Quote from: mjfarrell on January 09, 2015, 04:03:51 PM
DEFPOINTS layer is ONLY for autocad to keep track of Dimension Origins

Objects on it will revert to plotable objects after you run AUDIT command anyway

They get 'locked' if layer zero (0) is turned off or locked...or similar symptoms

So, just quit it, OK?

I was aware of why Defpoints is there.

I have run AUDIT and not had that problem...ever.

Locked as in need to hit unlock to manage them again? Or as in no longer changable at all?

I'm thinking about it!  :straight: I tend to have issues with viewports on a VP layer and not when they are on defpoints...?? No specific example of this though.  :|



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Re: Invisible viewport
« Reply #46 on: January 09, 2015, 04:27:12 PM »
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Re: Invisible viewport
« Reply #47 on: January 09, 2015, 04:30:42 PM »
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Re: Invisible viewport
« Reply #48 on: January 09, 2015, 05:15:29 PM »
The viewport is CLIPPED.  I think if you just do a MVIEW Restore, it will UNCLIP it and you can see it again. 
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Re: Invisible viewport
« Reply #49 on: January 09, 2015, 06:02:17 PM »
Some people take their DEFPOINTS layer way too seriously. :)
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Re: Invisible viewport
« Reply #50 on: January 09, 2015, 06:07:59 PM »
Quote from: CAB on January 09, 2015, 06:02:17 PM
Some people take their DEFPOINTS layer way too seriously. :)

It's not theirs, its AutoCAD's.
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Re: Invisible viewport
« Reply #51 on: January 09, 2015, 06:23:43 PM »
When it is in MY drawing it's my layer & I'll do with it what I want.  :P
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Re: Invisible viewport
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Re: Invisible viewport
« Reply #53 on: January 12, 2015, 09:21:59 AM »
Quote from: Bethrine on January 09, 2015, 04:16:18 PM
Quote from: mjfarrell on January 09, 2015, 04:03:51 PM
DEFPOINTS layer is ONLY for autocad to keep track of Dimension Origins

Objects on it will revert to plotable objects after you run AUDIT command anyway

They get 'locked' if layer zero (0) is turned off or locked...or similar symptoms

So, just quit it, OK?

I was aware of why Defpoints is there.

I have run AUDIT and not had that problem...ever.

Locked as in need to hit unlock to manage them again? Or as in no longer changable at all?

I'm thinking about it!  :straight: I tend to have issues with viewports on a VP layer and not when they are on defpoints...?? No specific example of this though.  :|


This is a very hot topic in AUGI as well, lots of good reasons not to use defpoints, mostly because since 2000, we've been given the ability to create non-plotting layers, so why risk it.


Just a few discussions on the issue:

http://forums.augi.com/showthread.php?155846-Defpoints-and-Layer-0&p=1266702&viewfull=1#post1266702
http://forums.augi.com/showthread.php?155846-Defpoints-and-Layer-0
http://forums.augi.com/showthread.php?120475-Can-not-select-viewportsr

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Re: Invisible viewport
« Reply #54 on: January 12, 2015, 09:42:04 AM »
Quote from: tedg on January 12, 2015, 09:21:59 AM
This is a very hot topic in AUGI as well, lots of good reasons not to use defpoints, mostly because since 2000, we've been given the ability to create non-plotting layers, so why risk it.


Just a few discussions on the issue:

http://forums.augi.com/showthread.php?155846-Defpoints-and-Layer-0&p=1266702&viewfull=1#post1266702
http://forums.augi.com/showthread.php?155846-Defpoints-and-Layer-0
http://forums.augi.com/showthread.php?120475-Can-not-select-viewportsr

THAT was very informative and helpful! I will certianly be creating a no plot layer for things I don't want to plot from now on! From reading those, I bet this solves a couple of problems I've had on and off.  :idea:

Should I move the one's I've alredy put on defpoints off of there?  :sick:
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Re: Invisible viewport
« Reply #55 on: January 12, 2015, 09:51:02 AM »
Quote from: Bethrine on January 12, 2015, 09:42:04 AM
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Should I move the one's I've alredy put on defpoints off of there?  :sick:

If you think there's any chance at all those dwg files will every be opened again in the next 30 years, then yes. 
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Re: Invisible viewport
« Reply #56 on: January 12, 2015, 09:55:03 AM »
Quote from: cadtag on January 12, 2015, 09:51:02 AM
Quote from: Bethrine on January 12, 2015, 09:42:04 AM
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Should I move the one's I've alredy put on defpoints off of there?  :sick:

If you think there's any chance at all those dwg files will every be opened again in the next 30 years, then yes.
I bet some clever lisper could write some code that automatically places viewports on a pre-defined no plot layer upon opening your drawings... maybe within an acaddoc.lsp.


Just a thought.


But yes, I would move your viewport(s) to a layer that isn't defpoints (if I were you).
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Re: Invisible viewport
« Reply #57 on: January 12, 2015, 09:56:13 AM »
That's good info. I never use it myself but do receive drawing with view ports on that layer.
I guess I'll start cleaning them up before sending back to the originator.
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Re: Invisible viewport
« Reply #58 on: January 12, 2015, 10:21:11 AM »
Two thoughts:

1) I bet Zero and Defpoints being connected have something to do with block creation.

2) I wonder if this has been part of the cause of problems I've had moving stuff between AutoCAD and Inventor? (Something I get better at every time I need to do it.)
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Re: Invisible viewport
« Reply #59 on: January 12, 2015, 10:24:49 AM »
Quote from: Bethrine on January 12, 2015, 10:21:11 AM
Two thoughts:

1) I bet Zero and Defpoints being connected have something to do with block creation.



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