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Re: Censoring on adndevblog
« Reply #15 on: July 09, 2012, 01:53:28 AM »
If Autodesk is so evil and is out to force people to use an inferior product, why the hell do you use it? Why not use Microstation or Briscad ... or any of the other comparable products? Could it be because those products don't meet your expectation?

Perhaps this might help illustrate just how naive these questions are.

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More than 500 respondents participated in a second survey, which focused exclusively on companies exchanging CAD files with external clients only—primarily job shops, like mold manufacturers, and second- and third-tier suppliers. These companies generally have limited financial resources, yet their livelihood depends on being able to compete in a complex multi-CAD environment. This survey confirmed that the lack of CAD standardization is placing a heavy burden on these companies.

For example, over one-third of respondents (37 percent) said that their use of a particular CAD tool and ability to share files in a particular format was part of the reason they gained business in the first place, indicating that a high percentage of OEMs make it their business to ask about CAD usage during the decision making process.

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« Reply #16 on: July 09, 2012, 03:18:10 AM »
I think censorship of any kind does a disservice to the community at large, and the censor in particular.

Instead of attempting to silence the dissent, their enrgies would be best spent removing the the causes of it.
The end state would be a better product, happier customers and larger profits.

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Re: Censoring on adndevblog
« Reply #17 on: July 09, 2012, 08:42:01 AM »
You may think my questions are naive, but having worked with AutoCAD for 22 years, I have seen all sorts of products that do a similar job and I know a great many companies do use non-Autodesk products, and they do so quite successfully.

For the last 10 years of my career using AutoCAD, (I no longer use it), I was provided with a great number of different file formats from a host of different development platforms. When I completed my work and supplied them with a DWG file (if that was their desire), there was never a problem. Interactivity between different cad packages is only limited to the knowledge of the person using the product.

This isn't rocket science. Maybe I worked in a unique situation where I didn't care what software created the design (it could be a drawing on a napkin for all I care) .. when my client is paying my rates, I produce what they want, how they want, using whatever tools they are willing to pay for. How I get from point to point is irrelevant. Sure there could be more efficient ways to do things, and sometimes I wished my design software was better equipped to do the things I needed to do, but it didn't matter because I would have drawn the stupid documents with a crayon if that is what they wanted.

If you don't like the tools, or the company that builds the tool, find a different tool or charge the client enough to cover your dislike of that tool.

I think censorship of any kind does a disservice to the community at large, and the censor in particular.

Instead of attempting to silence the dissent, their enrgies would be best spent removing the the causes of it.
The end state would be a better product, happier customers and larger profits.

This whole idea that Autodesk is censoring what people say is silly. You only have the right to post on their website what they allow you to post .. and only when you act within guidelines that they deem correct.

What if someone posted pornography or a list of competitors tools that does the same job or better. Would you support their decision to remove those posts?

In case you didn't notice, using the rubric described here would mean the entire internet is engaged in censorship, with theswamp being one of the most egregious offenders.
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Re: Censoring on adndevblog
« Reply #18 on: July 09, 2012, 10:26:01 AM »
Their sandbox, their rules.  If they decide that all posts must end with "Long live the Big Dog!  WOOF!" they are perfectly within their rights.

Anybody who isn't in the strategic planning group of AutoDesk is only guessing at what their objectives and goals are (and are not).  At some point its important to admit that we just. don't. know.  I know it's been one of my biggest struggles, as I know quite a bit and can figure out a lot more, but sometimes its more important to not play the expert.
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« Reply #19 on: July 09, 2012, 10:42:36 AM »
"Long live the Big Dog!  WOOF!"

LOL .. maybe that is what is clouding my perspective .. once upon a time, I was "Top Dawg" at an AUGI event.
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« Reply #20 on: July 09, 2012, 11:41:23 AM »
 :-D

The actual reference is to a role-playing game developer who frequented some of the discussion boards for his work.  When players wanted his specific attention to game mechanics, they were instructed to "WOOF!" the subject line so he could pick them out quickly.  Looked rediculous, but thats how those boards operated.
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Re: Censoring on adndevblog
« Reply #21 on: July 09, 2012, 11:44:59 AM »
I understand, I was simply being facetious
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Re: Censoring on adndevblog
« Reply #22 on: July 09, 2012, 11:51:25 AM »
The proper way to do this is to delete the offending post and then provide an explanation for the deletion i.e. trolling, off topic, against rules.  Lets everyone know where they stand.

From reading the posts it would seem the Masters reputation has gone before him and Stephen Preston is taking the criticism personally. It would be interesting to see if the points were remade in a manner that used straight forward technical language with no creative embellishments if they would remain on the blog post.



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Re: Censoring on adndevblog
« Reply #23 on: July 09, 2012, 12:27:23 PM »
From reading the posts it would seem the Masters reputation has gone before him and Stephen Preston is taking the criticism personally. It would be interesting to see if the points were remade in a manner that used straight forward technical language with no creative embellishments if they would remain on the blog post.

How do you know Stephen took it personally or he was the one to delete it?
How do you know how the points were made and laid out?
 
From reading the posts the only thing I can tell is the first comment ended with something similar to
"Sure - It's got a modern, glitzy user interface, but still can't walk and chew gum at the same time".

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Re: Censoring on adndevblog
« Reply #24 on: July 09, 2012, 01:15:54 PM »
Hi,

What I can say is that censoring is the result of fear to the truth, as anything (you write) other than true can be easily refuted.

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Re: Censoring on adndevblog
« Reply #25 on: July 09, 2012, 01:51:44 PM »
Hi,

What I can say is that censoring is the result of fear to the truth, as anything (you write) other than true can be easily refuted.

Gaston Nunez

No, it can't.  In some circumstances even an accusation can prove damaging.  If fact, it can be extremely difficult to prove a negative especially once the false information has gained traction in the internet.
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Re: Censoring on adndevblog
« Reply #26 on: July 09, 2012, 08:07:52 PM »
This is a thought provoking discussion.

This comment made me think.
All large corporations are evil.  They are all driven by greed and the need to appease shareholders. Autodesk is not exclusive in that respect. 
Not to put too fine a point on it but greed is the evil. It has brought the worlds economy to it's knees and will do worse.

The revenue stream drives where Autodesk (or another company) allocates it's resources. There isn't much of a stream into Autodesk from developers who subscribe to ADN and none at all from developers who are not ADN members. So it isn't surprising to me that there are . . . gaps?
The focus is on consumers of their product not on developers of other products for consumption.
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Re: Censoring on adndevblog
« Reply #27 on: July 10, 2012, 12:49:14 PM »
About moving AutoCAD to the cloud.
 
You remember when you were in your early and mid twenties and you would go out partying and stay out all night long, and there was always that one guy that was just a little too old to be hanging out.
He would look funny and out of place trying to wear what the kids were wearing at that time.
The broke sluts would hang out with him because he would always pay for drinks.
He was usually cool but you always thought shouldn't he be hanging out with his kids or getting up early to go blind shopping at Home Depot.
 
Sure it is fun to go to all the cool bars and staying up partying to 8:00 in the morning, but leave that to the younger kids who it is meant for.
 
So the great fun places is the cloud, and the kids are software that is written in a way that would be beneficial to be put in the cloud, and AutoCAD is that guy.
 
AutoCAD do not be that guy.
 
 
 
 
 

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Re: Censoring on adndevblog
« Reply #28 on: July 10, 2012, 01:41:06 PM »
I concur, moving ANY mission critical software or data to "the cloud" is stupid and puts end users at the mercy of flaky internet service providers, poor connectivity issues and may cause their data to be breached by nefarious folks.

That might sound like a tin-foil hat declaration, but I have lost my connectivity many times and if I could not have worked locally, I would have been at a standstill.
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Re: Censoring on adndevblog
« Reply #29 on: August 13, 2012, 02:36:51 PM »
An interesting (and pretty diverse) thread - I really should stop by more often! Anyway, I thought you just might want to hear the opinion of someone evil.  :evil:

I'm stepping in with a couple of comments... (and don't have the energy to get involved in the cloud discussion, right now, so am choosing to sidestep that one ;-))

As a blogger I have only ever deleted comments (not including SPAM) when they have either said something illegal (e.g. "where can I get a cracked version of AutoCAD?") or insulting (usually to others, so far I've been OK with people having a go at me). But then I've been lucky enough to not have too many of either category - probably because I write my own blog, and so any comments tend to be targeted at an individual (me). When a blog has multiple (and I won't say "anonymous" - the word I'm looking for is probably "unfamiliar") authors, it's easier to say things that are blunt to the point of being disrespectful. Just to be clear - I haven't read the comments that have been removed, so this is not me passing judgment. I did want to step in to say some words in defense of whoever is managing the DevBlog's comments, though.

Whoever deleted the comments - and it could well have been Stephen, although there are lots of authors who have access the blog - surely did so to the best of their judgment. I'm almost certain that any removal of comments was done to keep the blog's tone respectful - not to stamp on dissent or criticism, per se. This isn't a bad thing, as far as I'm concerned: contributors to the blog - whether authors or commentators - should feel they can do so without risking being abused for it. Perhaps it's cultural - we Brits tend to prefer public criticism when it's stated diplomatically - but then this blog also has a broad (and diverse) audience to cater to.

That was comment number 1... onto the next:

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It's more than ironic to see Kean Walmsley espousing the benefits of F# and parallel execution for developing plug-ins that leverage multiple processors, until he discovered that a major barricade to that goal was AutoCAD and its inherent lack of thread-safe code.

Well, no. I continue to espouse the benefits of F# and asynchronous programming models, I'm just a bit attention deficit. :-) I certainly didn't simply stop when I "discovered" an issue inside AutoCAD's architecture: I've spent quite some time and effort describing appropriate models for dealing with asynchronous calls in a way that works well with a single-threaded application (my favourite being to use an Erlang-inspired mailbox architecture).

Anyway - that's all I wanted to say. I would apologise for posting something off topic, but then this thread has covered so much ground I suspect it isn't needed.

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