Topic: Why are Civil plans 17,000 miles from the orgin?

[Jeff H]

I am sure there is a reason and not familiar at all with civil work flow, but it seems every site plan I get is a whole state away from the orgin.
 
Just wondering.

[mjfarrell]

Because we use State Plane or other coordinate systems to align the work to it's actual location on the panet.
Unlike most Architectural plans, that are often tied to nothing in the real world, as is say 0,0,0.

This leads to some interesting discussions regarding each professions methods.

The Architects would be well served to base their actual site plan on the actual surveyed location.
Although some do, most wont, and that's all I'm going to say about it.

[alanjt]

State Plane coordinates.
Since our drawings are in Florida North zone, I redefine the origin to match the coordinates, so hatch patterns (ar-conc) don't look out of wack.

[Jeff H]

Makes sense to me and does not really cause any more work and I am not fussing about it.
Was just wondering.
Thanks

[alanjt]

fussing about it.

Man Jeff, stop whining about it!

[mjfarrell]

Was just whimpering and whingeing about it.

Don't be such a little girl...   

[Krushert]

This leads to some interesting discussions regarding each professions methods.

The Architects would be well served to base their actual site plan on the actual surveyed location.
Although some do, most wont, and that's all I'm going to say about it.

Yeah .............. right.  What ever you say.

[mjfarrell]

This leads to some interesting discussions regarding each professions methods.

The Architects would be well served to base their actual site plan on the actual surveyed location.
Although some do, most wont, and that's all I'm going to say about it.

Yeah .............. right.  What ever you say.

Although some do, most wont, and that's all I'm going to say about it.

[Jeff H]

It's my thread and I bitch if I want to, bitch if I want to.
 

[alanjt]

It's my thread and I bitch if I want to, bitch if I want to.

You would bitch too...

[Slim©]

Civil/Survey = REAL WORLD

Architects = Fantasy

[Krushert]

Civil/Survey = REAL WORLD

Architects = Fantasy

Ahh lets put that to the test.  Lets take a dozen civilians off the street that know nothing about our trades and explain to them our layering name conventions.  See which convention gets understood first.

[Dinosaur]

You will first have to explain to all of them why the artichokes have drawn everything 12x what it is supposed to be and warped the Earth's surface so North appears to always point to the top or left of the sheet regardless of the true position.

[alanjt]

Civil/Survey = REAL WORLD

Architects = Fantasy

Ahh lets put that to the test.  Lets take a dozen civilians off the street that know nothing about our trades and explain to them our layering name conventions.  See which convention gets understood first.

I thought Architects just put everything on the "0" layer and changed the color.

[Dinosaur]

I thought Architects just put everything on the "0" layer and changed the color.

Shhh ... my old boss probably still does that and he is a civil engineer / surveyor.  I used to threatened to take away his computer keys.