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Re: Revit Issues
« Reply #30 on: January 07, 2012, 01:59:37 PM »
The thing is though, when it comes to things like graphic presentation on production drawings I think Revit IS already all it will ever be.  Michael should remember well my being called a "barking dog" on these very boards by then an independent consultant but soon to be Autodesk employee for voicing complaints over identical issues with Civil 3D in 2005 that as far as I know, persist through the current release.  If there were any plans to bring more flexibility with graphic standards, I think some progress would have been made over the course of 6 releases.
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Re: Revit Issues
« Reply #31 on: January 07, 2012, 05:47:19 PM »
The thing is though, when it comes to things like graphic presentation on production drawings I think Revit IS already all it will ever be.
I don't think you could be any farther from the truth to be honest. Maybe I'm blind in my optimism but I tend to never believe any software like Revit or AutoCAD is considered finished.

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Re: Revit Issues
« Reply #32 on: January 07, 2012, 10:35:05 PM »
The thing is though, when it comes to things like graphic presentation on production drawings I think Revit IS already all it will ever be.
I don't think you could be any farther from the truth to be honest. Maybe I'm blind in my optimism but I tend to never believe any software like Revit or AutoCAD is considered finished.
The application may not 'ever' be considered finished.  And they certainly won't get closer any faster as long as we are willing to gloss over and apologize for shortcomings in any aspect of their functionality.
I may bark a little furiously than I used, mostly due to losing my voice, however the issues I barked about still persist.  One might ask why they remain?  A couple of reasons, people who want to ignore the shortcomings, and autodesk does a poor job of addressing these issue, because too many are willing to HOPE that someday in some release that they have already subscribed to, just might address the issues.  The problem with this logic; is that unless a problem is accepted an identified by all as a problem, then there is no rush to fix it.

Take the following example.

Coxswain to Captain, "Sir, we are seeing a little seapage below decks I think the bilge pumps should be able to handle it"



Coxswain to Captain, " Sir, we have hit an iceberg and ripped a giant hole in the hull, we will sink in under 20 minutes."

Which of the above will save those aboard the ship?

Now I know that one is a little extreme, however it just might save the crew even if the ship does sink.
whereas the other may doom them all because the problem is not accepted, and thus remains unresolved.

Now will ones building fall down if the stupid leaders look like they were created by a spastic dyslexic? No.
Howeve should it be accepted as a given simply because one can get a real 3d model of some air handler? I also say NO.  Because we were getting decent models from proactive manufacturers long before anyone knew how to pronounce REVIT.

I'm not bashing the platform as a whole, I just believe things should be called what they are, otherwise they do not get addressed in a proper or timely manner.
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Re: Revit Issues
« Reply #33 on: January 09, 2012, 07:01:46 AM »
That drawing is not a good example of what can be done with the leaders. Although they are at best clunky to work with, they can be made  consistent with a little effort on the drafter's part.
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Re: Revit Issues
« Reply #34 on: January 09, 2012, 09:23:43 AM »
Take the following example.

Coxswain to Captain, "Sir, we are seeing a little seapage below decks I think the bilge pumps should be able to handle it"

Coxswain to Captain, " Sir, we have hit an iceberg and ripped a giant hole in the hull, we will sink in under 20 minutes."

Which of the above will save those aboard the ship?

Now I know that one is a little extreme, however it just might save the crew even if the ship does sink.
whereas the other may doom them all because the problem is not accepted, and thus remains unresolved.
Extreme, yes... but I definitely get your point and I do agree with you. I guess ultimately I will still remain optimistic because throughout history we all must understand things take time to develop. I get frustrated at people I know personally who always seem to have something to say about things, especially AutoCAD or Revit, as if they are are suppose to be all-in-one complete packages without any time or room for improvement.

*shrugs* Just my optimism I guess. :)

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Re: Revit Issues
« Reply #35 on: January 09, 2012, 08:52:20 PM »
I so want to respond detail but have no time.  I will go back to what I said before. It is pride that I put out a good looking set of drawings and the easiest way to do that thru consistency.  These leaders, the freakin level tags that I am dealing with and the other random thing is Column bubble locations when creating a new level.  They behave randomly.   I have a hard time putting aside "taking pride in how my work looks like".  And Higgs sort of hit on the nail on the head.  Annotation has to look just as good as the Geometry.  Just MHO, that is all.   

Good thread too BTW.

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Re: Revit Issues
« Reply #36 on: January 09, 2012, 10:45:15 PM »
I so want to respond detail but have no time.  I will go back to what I said before. It is pride that I put out a good looking set of drawings and the easiest way to do that thru consistency.  These leaders, the freakin level tags that I am dealing with and the other random thing is Column bubble locations when creating a new level.  They behave randomly.   I have a hard time putting aside "taking pride in how my work looks like".  And Higgs sort of hit on the nail on the head.  Annotation has to look just as good as the Geometry.  Just MHO, that is all.   

Good thread too BTW.


Oh, Lordy ... I am going to find common ground with an artichoke type.  Part of me wants to re examine my entire thought process now.
The problem Krush, is that there is no room for this type of craftsmanship in the current engineering budgets.  The only ones calling for more aesthetically pleasing graphic options are a handful of old school purists along with some contractors and reviewing agencies that have not yet accepted the new normal for the designs that cross their desks.  Neither of these groups are pouring cash into Autodesk coffers so as far as they are concerned, there is no problem to address.  I like to call it the quick and dirty devotional to the altar of  GITTERDUN.
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Re: Revit Issues
« Reply #37 on: January 10, 2012, 08:42:01 AM »
...the other random thing is Column bubble locations when creating a new level.  They behave randomly.
PROPAGATE EXTENTS... just sayin'  :)
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Re: Revit Issues
« Reply #38 on: January 10, 2012, 09:49:13 AM »
...the other random thing is Column bubble locations when creating a new level.  They behave randomly.
PROPAGATE EXTENTS... just sayin'  :)
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Re: Revit Issues
« Reply #39 on: January 10, 2012, 09:51:31 AM »
...the other random thing is Column bubble locations when creating a new level.  They behave randomly.
PROPAGATE EXTENTS... just sayin'  :)
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Re: Revit Issues
« Reply #40 on: January 10, 2012, 01:59:10 PM »
You saying Master Po is old school?  Ohhhh He is going to kick your pututty and little furball all over the place!   :-D
« Last Edit: January 10, 2012, 02:13:35 PM by Krushert »
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