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Re: Revit Issues
« Reply #15 on: January 06, 2012, 09:48:13 AM »
Can not have more than one electrical connection to a device........
So you can not create a 2 gang switch.
Actually I think you can now in 2012. Just sayin'.  :kewl:

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Re: Revit Issues
« Reply #16 on: January 06, 2012, 10:07:27 AM »
Agreed.  It'll take some time, ... probably a lot of time, but if that is what you want...
But also remember, Revit is NOT Autocad and shouldn't be seen as Autocad.  I've seen offices work their fingers to the bone and frazzle their brains trying to make Revit look and work like Autocad.  It's tough dropping an office standard and starting something new, but it's worth it.  Eventually you start seeing the 'new' stuff of Revit as a standard.
We had all the same issues trying to push Civil 3D into plan production and is not only limited to convincing the office staff to change.  For most, the bottom line at the end of monthly invoicing will grease things up for most changes from prior standards.  The roadblocks we found were trying to get the new looks through the approval process and to some extent getting contractors to accept a required deviation from the plans they were used to seeing.
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Re: Revit Issues
« Reply #17 on: January 06, 2012, 10:46:55 AM »
But also remember, Revit is NOT Autocad and shouldn't be seen as Autocad.  I've seen offices work their fingers to the bone and frazzle their brains trying to make Revit look and work like Autocad.  It's tough dropping an office standard and starting something new, but it's worth it.  Eventually you start seeing the 'new' stuff of Revit as a standard.
cmwade77, he speaks the truth. The best advice I've given people is before you double-click that Revit icon, you need to switch off everything you know, love, and hate about AutoCAD. And I cannot iterate the importance of this. You have to really let AutoCAD go. That was the biggest barrier when transitioning into Revit for myself. When I finally did that and accepted Revit for what it is, I began really understanding it and loving it, and excited to use it.

AutoCAD Standards? They no longer matter. Something doesn't print on paper like it does in AutoCAD? Let it go. Seriously, just let it go. Revit is a tool that goes way above and beyond just what's printed or what's displayed and although I will definitely agree there are things that lack in this area of Revit, it will get there, just give it time.

Just some friendly advice is all.

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Re: Revit Issues
« Reply #18 on: January 06, 2012, 01:24:54 PM »
glad my views are mirrored, but cripes... we (not me, the dept.) only got into Autocad just over 12 years ago and there's STILL comments that begin with "But that's not how we did it in Cadvance..."   :ugly:

it makes me cringe thinking about what will be said about the lack of a certain 'look' when doing a revit project soon.
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Re: Revit Issues
« Reply #19 on: January 06, 2012, 03:45:56 PM »
So you guys are saying that we, our bosses, the contractors, city plan reviewers and exspecialy our clients should accept sloppy looking drawing set just beucase it is down in Revit and/or is in BIM format? 

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Re: Revit Issues
« Reply #20 on: January 06, 2012, 03:47:25 PM »
i think it's more along the lines of not being able to use 'traditional' fonts and customized arrowheads and such.
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Re: Revit Issues
« Reply #21 on: January 06, 2012, 04:15:12 PM »
So you guys are saying that we, our bosses, the contractors, city plan reviewers and exspecialy our clients should accept sloppy looking drawing set just beucase it is down in Revit and/or is in BIM format?
Not at all. I'm just saying the standards in direct relation to AutoCAD will need to be compromised. Revit is to be used for purpose anyways... not to replace common drafting needs. In a sense, you're giving up one tool for another tool, not replacing one tool for another tool. Lots of people have no actual use for Revit and if so then stick with AutoCAD (or whatever your flavor of CAD software is).

Also be reminded that as complete as we all think AutoCAD is, every year the program comes with needed updates and additions. Revit is still in stride and it takes time for products and procedures to mature.

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Re: Revit Issues
« Reply #22 on: January 06, 2012, 04:21:55 PM »
So you guys are saying that we, our bosses, the contractors, city plan reviewers and exspecialy our clients should accept sloppy looking drawing set just beucase it is down in Revit and/or is in BIM format?
Just curious but... what's sloppy about this PDF??

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Re: Revit Issues
« Reply #23 on: January 06, 2012, 04:23:32 PM »
the leaders look pretty poor
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Re: Revit Issues
« Reply #24 on: January 06, 2012, 04:25:25 PM »
the leaders look pretty poor
They were raised in the ghetto without a parent leader.  They're doing the best they can.  They just need someone to believe in them.
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Re: Revit Issues
« Reply #25 on: January 06, 2012, 04:27:13 PM »
the leaders look pretty poor
They were raised in the ghetto without a parent leader.  They're doing the best they can.  They just need someone to believe in them.
Bwahahaha!!! I busted a gut on that one.

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Re: Revit Issues
« Reply #26 on: January 06, 2012, 04:51:45 PM »
the leaders look pretty poor
They were raised in the ghetto without a parent leader.  They're doing the best they can.  They just need someone to believe in them.
I believe that they could look much better given all the hype and supposed power of Revit.
I won't even get into all the lines over text, and the blob-by line weights on some of the HVAC symbols.
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Re: Revit Issues
« Reply #27 on: January 06, 2012, 05:55:38 PM »
I believe that they could look much better given all the hype and supposed power of Revit.
So what exactly are you griping about? The look of them, or the functionality? Is the leader somehow not doing what it was intended to do or something?

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Re: Revit Issues
« Reply #28 on: January 06, 2012, 06:43:23 PM »
I believe that they could look much better given all the hype and supposed power of Revit.
So what exactly are you griping about? The look of them, or the functionality? Is the leader somehow not doing what it was intended to do or something?
They are very random both in distance of the landing, distance to the note and placement relative to the notes.
They are more than a little chaotic; which is exactly the users complaint.

Now one might argue, that it is 'only' a leader, and that would be a very thin justification for the user to not have more control over them.  One could even question the accuracy of a BIM model being built within a(n) application wherein one can not control something as simple as that leader element.

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Re: Revit Issues
« Reply #29 on: January 07, 2012, 12:10:00 PM »
I believe that they could look much better given all the hype and supposed power of Revit.
So what exactly are you griping about? The look of them, or the functionality? Is the leader somehow not doing what it was intended to do or something?
They are very random both in distance of the landing, distance to the note and placement relative to the notes.
They are more than a little chaotic; which is exactly the users complaint.

Now one might argue, that it is 'only' a leader, and that would be a very thin justification for the user to not have more control over them.  One could even question the accuracy of a BIM model being built within a(n) application wherein one can not control something as simple as that leader element.
Higgs, I definitely see your point and I understand where you're coming from.

However.... let me iterate the true meaning of using Revit MEP - it goes above and beyond CAD designing. CAD means computer aided drafting, in other words: an extension of the drafting board. CAD keeps the designer in mind, Revit has a much different approach. AutoCAD MEP is a very good tool in designing, but when AutoCAD 1.0 arrived it was nowhere near capable of what it is today.

Point being, if you are really going to harp on the look of a leader then I don't know what to tell you. The Revit platforms are still far from matured but we all know where it's headed and I will admit that I like what I see coming. I like being able to get virtual equipment and material catalogs directly from the manufacturer, with all necessary engineering data attached so running loads or calculating pump selections can finally not be the brutal and manual number crunching task it's always been.

I just feel when you say "given all the hype and supposed power of Revit" you are bashing the platform as a whole, not seeing the ingenuity behind it and surely not seeing what it might could be in ten more years. Hell, maybe that's Autodesk's fault... when they buy something up they seem to know how to screw it up. :) Point is, if you have to look past a few things like leader styles then I say so be it. That's my $0.02 for what it's worth.