Topic: Why NOT pay someone $10 an hour to do CAD?

[craigr]

Why not Pay someone $10 an hour to do CAD?

After all, they teach it in High School.  Right?

 

[MP]

Not ready reading OP, Abort, Retry, Fail?

[craigr]

I woking on a dwg that someone put Walls, Doors, Windows, etc.. on a layer called, (get this), 'NOTES'.

Argh!!!!!

[alanjt]

Seems about right - you get what you pay for.

[Mark]

Seems about right - you get what you pay for.

I used to work for someone who made at least twice as much as I did and drew everything on 0.

[alanjt]

Seems about right - you get what you pay for.

I used to work for someone who made at least twice as much as I did and drew everything on 0.

Maybe you weren't making enough.

[Matt__W]

you get what you pay for.

TWSS

[deegeecees]

I woking on a dwg that someone put Walls, Doors, Windows, etc.. on a layer called, (get this), 'NOTES'.

Argh!!!!!

I see you got my drawing I sent to you then.

[Greg B]

Why not Pay someone $10 an hour to do CAD?

After all, they teach it in High School.  Right?

 

The teach you how to do math and read in High School as well.  Guess you should only be paid $10/hr.

[Krushert]

Why not Pay someone $10 an hour to do CAD?

After all, they teach it in High School.  Right?

 

If you paid me under the table I would do it!

[mjfarrell]

I don't know that pay scale has any bearing on due diligence and or how applies their knowledge of a particular skill.
Some folks simply can not be bothered to be conscious or conscientious  of drafting standards.

From a real world experience; I was being well paid as a temp worker doing cad for a project.
Each and every time I asked these cowboys what the standard was for a particular instance;
I was given a very detailed and explicit description of their standard of practice.  This was then followed immediately
with BUT we didn't follow that standard on this job.

After a short while I just stopped asking out of total frustration and just started drawing crap where ever and however it appeared to match whatever was already in the file(s).
They were paying me to draw, NOT to CARE about their crappy adherence to their own standards.

In the end the drawings got printed and shipped, I got paid.

Although I would NEVER want to work in those files ever again. (word!)

[JohnK]

I don't know that pay scale has any bearing on due diligence and or how applies their knowledge of a particular skill.
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The drawings are what represents the product you are selling.

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I say, see if you can cut it down to somewhere near $7 an hour and speed up the process (assuming your goal would be to give other companies more business).

[Greg B]

I don't know that pay scale has any bearing on due diligence and or how applies their knowledge of a particular skill.
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The drawings are what represents the product you are selling.

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I say, see if you can cut it down to somewhere near $7 an hour and speed up the process (assuming your goal would be to give other companies more business).

*cough*$7.25 is minimum*cough

[JohnK]

*cough*$7.25 is minimum*cough

* Se7en runs to boss' office.

[alanjt]

I don't know that pay scale has any bearing on due diligence and or how applies their knowledge of a particular skill.
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The drawings are what represents the product you are selling.

***

I say, see if you can cut it down to somewhere near $7 an hour and speed up the process (assuming your goal would be to give other companies more business).

*cough*$7.25 is minimum*cough

$7.31 in Florida.

[mjfarrell]

Seeing as how I'm in Arizona....and undocumented ^{(autodesk certified)} workers abound....They might try to get it done for less than Se7en Se7enty Se7en.

 

[Greg B]

Why not Pay someone $10 an hour to do CAD

Actually...If someone is willing to accept $10 an hour, then go for it.  I'm sure there are people out there that would be happy to be paid $10/hr.  The quality of their work might suck at first, but they WILL learn and should get better.

[JohnK]

Why not Pay someone $10 an hour to do CAD

Actually...If someone is willing to accept $10 an hour, then go for it.  I'm sure there are people out there that would be happy to be paid $10/hr.  The quality of their work might suck at first, but they WILL learn and should get better.

Where would the motivation (to show "this accurately", "better", etc.) come from? ...Let's adopt the "McDonald's model" for engineering.  --Higgs Boson's Mate's post.

[M-dub]

Why not Pay someone $10 an hour to do CAD

Actually...If someone is willing to accept $10 an hour, then go for it.  I'm sure there are people out there that would be happy to be paid $10/hr.  The quality of their work might suck at first, but they WILL learn and should get better.

Where would the motivation (to show "this accurately", "better", etc.) come from? ...Let's adopt the "McDonald's model" for engineering.  --Higgs Boson's Mate's post.

It would come from the thought that if they don't do a half-decent job, they can go back to their previous job of following Elsie the Dancing Circus Elephant around with a shovel.

[mjfarrell]

Why not Pay someone $10 an hour to do CAD

Actually...If someone is willing to accept $10 an hour, then go for it.  I'm sure there are people out there that would be happy to be paid $10/hr.  The quality of their work might suck at first, but they WILL learn and should get better.

Where would the motivation (to show "this accurately", "better", etc.) come from? ...Let's adopt the "McDonald's model" for engineering.  --Higgs Boson's Mate's post.

Thing is Se8en, they were paying me far mor than 10$/hr....however their own lack of concern for following their own standards; killed any desire I had to actually follow those standards irrespective of how much they were paying.

If you want to paraphrase me, it really distills down to:

How much you pay a person has little influence on their ability or willingness to to follow good standards of practice.

[Mark]

*cough*$7.25 is minimum*cough

* Se7en runs to boss' office.

LMAO ...

[JohnK]

It would come from the thought that if they don't do a half-decent job, they can go back to their previous job of following Elsie the Dancing Circus Elephant around with a shovel.

heh. Look up "Wagner Act". I'm not trying to be dramatic (no coal mines or high steel here). I'm just trying to point out that we learn from history. -i.e. that mindset isnt what got the US out of the great depression.

[JohnK]

Thing is Se8en, they were paying me far mor than 10$/hr....however their own lack of concern for following their own standards; killed any desire I had to actually follow those standards irrespective of how much they were paying.

If you want to paraphrase me, it really distills down to:

How much you pay a person has little influence on their ability or willingness to to follow good standards of practice.

Ah. got it.
You went into the deal with a motivation (from how much they were paying you?).

[M-dub]

It would come from the thought that if they don't do a half-decent job, they can go back to their previous job of following Elsie the Dancing Circus Elephant around with a shovel.

heh. Look up "Wagner Act". I'm not trying to be dramatic (no coal mines or high steel here). I'm just trying to point out that we learn from history. -i.e. that mindset isnt what got the US out of the great depression.

I don't necessarily disagree with you.  I always like to try to remind myself that "No matter how bad it gets, it could ALWAYS be worse!"
That line is more comforting in certain situations than in others.

[mjfarrell]

Thing is Se8en, they were paying me far mor than 10$/hr....however their own lack of concern for following their own standards; killed any desire I had to actually follow those standards irrespective of how much they were paying.

If you want to paraphrase me, it really distills down to:

How much you pay a person has little influence on their ability or willingness to to follow good standards of practice.

Ah. got it.
You went into the deal with a motivation (from how much they were paying you?).

I went into the deal with the correct motivation irrespective of the pay scale.
As the reverse of my statement is also true.

Some people will be conscientious about the quality and quantity of their efforts with no regard for the pay scale.

As stated it was their own lack of consistency or care about same that reduced mine to nill.
As at that point you couldn't pay me enough to ever care about attempting to follow a standard that was so blatantly disregarded, by those that should have cared more than the TEMP dude did.

[Jeff H]

Why not Pay someone $10 an hour to do CAD

Actually...If someone is willing to accept $10 an hour, then go for it.  I'm sure there are people out there that would be happy to be paid $10/hr.  The quality of their work might suck at first, but they WILL learn and should get better.

Right now I would work for $5.00 until something better came up.
Even for $5.00 the way I always have looked at it no matter what try to do the best and more. The worst thing that can happen is you learn more, make a good name for yourself, and helps to keep establishing to always use a good work ethic
 

[mjfarrell]

Thanks for reinforcing my point about pay not impacting the quality of work of some individuals Jeff.

[JohnK]

My statements were never really about intrinsic or extrinsic motivations being the stronger of the two (Ive always felt that intrinsic motivation is stronger than extrinsic).

[Maverick®]

(Ive always felt that intrinsic motivation is stronger than extrinsic).

*Runs to Se7en's boss' office...*

[JohnK]

Just 'cause one is stronger than the other doesn't mean that is what we choose; ever heard the phrase: "Sometimes we don't always get to do what we want" or my favorite: "Put `want' in this hand and <SOMETHING> in the other and see which fill up faster".

[Jeff H]

Just 'cause one is stronger than the other doesn't mean that is what we choose; ever heard the phrase: "Sometimes we don't always get to do what we want" or my favorite: "Put `want' in this hand and <SOMETHING> in the other and see which fill up faster".

What if you have really bad aim and you accidentally fill up the hand that is for 'want' then technically wouldn't the 'want' hand fills up first?
 

[Krushert]

What were you doing with BOTH of your hands back there? 
The rule is only one hand at a time. 

[JohnK]

And how could you miss? Are you twitchy or something?