Topic: It appears that C3D 2012 has hit the ground...

[sourdough]

Just went to updates for C3D and noticed 2012 hitting new updates, anybody dared to get a copy they can talk about?

MJP

[Matt__W]

The Autodesk site is still showing 2011 for all AutoCAD apps.

[mjfarrell]

Just went to updates for C3D and noticed 2012 hitting new updates, anybody dared to get a copy they can talk about?

MJP

technically NOT until after it is released, however you will most likely start seeing some 'leaked' information around April.

[sourdough]

The Autodesk site is still showing 2011 for all AutoCAD apps.

http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/ps/dl/index?siteID=123112&id=2334435&linkID=9240698

Here is what I saw.

MJP

[Jeff_M]

Trust me, Mike, when things can be talked about, I'm sure you will know.

[sourdough]

Trust me, Mike, when things can be talked about, I'm sure you will know.

Understood, just love the teasers though. I just hope to God they finally make the program use more than one core, or at least be able to use the Cuda/ATI stream processors to solve some of the graphic's obstacles. Just my wish, not to mention all the things posted here that make it a challenge to use at times.

MJP

[sinc]

"Graphic's obstacles"...?  What do you mean?

[mjfarrell]

Trust me, Mike, when things can be talked about, I'm sure you will know.

Understood, just love the teasers though. I just hope to God they finally make the program use more than one core, or at least be able to use the Cuda/ATI stream processors to solve some of the graphic's obstacles. Just my wish, not to mention all the things posted here that make it a challenge to use at times.

MJP

Quality hardware, and training remove many of the obstacles most encounter with C3D.
Some of the other 'functional' issues with the application will most likely remain due to autodesk not really listening to their customers needs.

[Mark]

Quality hardware, and training remove many of the obstacles most encounter with C3D.

In other words; we're still learning how to program so you'll need 32GB of RAM and a water cooled graphics board. LOL

[mjfarrell]

Quality hardware, and training remove many of the obstacles most encounter with C3D.

In other words; we're still learning how to program so you'll need 32GB of RAM and a water cooled graphics board. LOL

Almost...
Although through feedback from the company I trained in Oahu last week, when they upgraded (got rid of) their poor hardware, most of their issues with unexpected crashes went away.
The downside is that none of those upgrades cured the core issues of lack of functionality, or features that fail to function as desired by most users, e.g. Pipes, Survey figures not assuming styles, etc, etc, ad nauseam.

[sourdough]

"Graphic's obstacles"...?  What do you mean?

One of my pet peeves is the lag time when you have to pick a point with the layer manager on. It can take time for it to roll through all the layers before you can actually being able to move it by grip. If you turn the layer manager off you can pick by grip and it is fast. That is my graphical obstacle of choice I would love to have fixed. I'm using a AIT Firepro V7800 with 2 gig of memory on-board and it does no better than a Geforce card Fermi or not. This has gone on every since they introduced C3D. So, no matter which is at fault Graphics or Processor or programming it is an obstacle and one I see on screen, so perception is graphical. Yes, I understand that C3D is running on one core.

My config is:
Graphics listed above.
Intel Ext. 980X 6core up 4 Ghz
12gig ddr3 1600
128gig SSD Sata 6

MJP

[mjfarrell]

Seems like the problem is limited to your process not C3D.
Firstly one should NOT be grip editing points to move them around,; particularly if they are SURVEY points.  Secondly, one should not be working with layer manager open at all times, despite your knowledge of the lag you persist in keeping it open.

If you are doing any sort of DESIGN using points your process needs to be revised.
Surveyors collect, and set points.
Engineers should do their designing using Feature Lines, and or Corridors not points.

If this isn't your method, try adjusting your process.

[Mark]

Seems like the problem is limited to your process not C3D.
Firstly one should NOT be grip editing points to move them around,; particularly if they are SURVEY points.  Secondly, one should not be working with layer manager open at all times, despite your knowledge of the lag you persist in keeping it open.

Why is that different than say the sheet set manager or the properties?

[mjfarrell]

Seems like the problem is limited to your process not C3D.
Firstly one should NOT be grip editing points to move them around,; particularly if they are SURVEY points.  Secondly, one should not be working with layer manager open at all times, despite your knowledge of the lag you persist in keeping it open.

Why is that different than say the sheet set manager or the properties?

It isn't really, in truth I don't suggest that one run C3D with those open constantly either unless one is building Assemblies or working with Sheets.  It's a performance issue that I place far behind the need to improve functionality within the application in terms of development.  One can turn off those parts of the interface and get along well enough when they are not absolutely required to be used..  One can NOT do anything to improve the lack of functionality of things like Pipes, or the Hydrology tools not being well integrated with the model.

[sourdough]

Seems like the problem is limited to your process not C3D.
Firstly one should NOT be grip editing points to move them around,; particularly if they are SURVEY points.  Secondly, one should not be working with layer manager open at all times, despite your knowledge of the lag you persist in keeping it open.

If you are doing any sort of DESIGN using points your process needs to be revised.
Surveyors collect, and set points.
Engineers should do their designing using Feature Lines, and or Corridors not points.

If this isn't your method, try adjusting your process.

I agree with most of what you said. My process is that when you not move a point, rather move the point label with grip it is slow if you have the layer manager on. So, yes I normally turn it off when doing that and most other things.
Sinc asks me what graphics obstacle (loosely stated). My wish would be that they could fix this so it was as fast
as it was with Land Desktop as a baseline to survey point lablel movement. It was a wish nothing more. Overall I like
C3D a lot. Most all my work now days is Survey related, and no design for now. So, this is something I deal with a lot.


MJP