the best thing about the other lisp command "BRK" is that no matter the size of what is to be broken, the break line changes its size per the distance of the break distance. however, my routin "BR" inteferes with the autocad "break" command and its also dependent on the dimscale. having it dependent on the dimscale can be useful but there are times when the break symbol is larger than the distance to to break. did i confuse ya?