Thank You. I have only used the activeX commands on a few occasions when I was able to borrow a minimum number of lines from others' examples. I borrowed the activeX methodology this time because I was having no success using entmod+subst with the 71 DXF, and was unable to figure out what I was doing wrong. In my last post above, I showed my examples of both methods, I'm hoping someone can point out my error, probably some syntax I keep overlooking.