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JCTER

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Re: 64 bit or 32 bit - Autocad mainly
« Reply #15 on: September 24, 2010, 11:43:50 AM »
Are you locked into Dell?  If not, you may want to compare Xi Computers as well.  I've been more impressed with their machines than with Dell's.

Pretty much.  Our IT consultant is a Dell reseller.  He likes their service and tech support.

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Re: 64 bit or 32 bit - Autocad mainly
« Reply #16 on: September 24, 2010, 02:33:36 PM »
Dude...friends don't let friends buy Dell.


No really...a good quality machine; even if built by yourself really requires NO service or support.

I've built many machines over the years and have yet needed to provide any service or support for said machines after they are turned on and running.
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Re: 64 bit or 32 bit - Autocad mainly
« Reply #17 on: September 24, 2010, 02:36:46 PM »
Dude...friends don't let friends buy Dell.


No really...a good quality machine; even if built by yourself really requires NO service or support.

I've built many machines over the years and have yet needed to provide any service or support for said machines after they are turned on and running.

Do you drive your car around without insurance?  The liklihood of you using your insurance may be slim to none, but it's still a good idea to have it (besides the fact that it's illegal NOT to).

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Re: 64 bit or 32 bit - Autocad mainly
« Reply #18 on: September 24, 2010, 02:38:45 PM »
uh no to the insurance thing...however I do build all my own pc's..and perform my own laptop support as needed

I even installed my own engine in both my car and truck...no crime in that either
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Re: 64 bit or 32 bit - Autocad mainly
« Reply #19 on: September 24, 2010, 06:09:25 PM »
If you use customization be aware that you might need to update those programs.
In addition to the jet database driver there are other issues. By the way the jet db can effect more than Access. Some programs use it to work with Excel or even text files.
The User Account Control can become an issue if any program wants to access files located in restricted locations. (Program Files etc.)
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JCTER

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Re: 64 bit or 32 bit - Autocad mainly
« Reply #20 on: September 24, 2010, 06:41:59 PM »
I have wide open control of my workstation, as we all do in our office, with the possible exception of the office admin lady.  Her computer has just been subject to high turnover rate.

I don't see the UAC being a problem.  I've been used to Windows 7 as I have it on my laptop at home.  It's actually given me -just- the right amount of alerts, warnings, and ability to stop programs before they start, without being too intrusive.  It seems to also have decent control about setting application permissions when needed.

Luckily(?) I don't have much customization in place.  LISP basic junk is about it.  I've been focusing on developing Autocad items more lately.  Tool Palettes, setting up libraries for using Design Center, etc.

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Re: 64 bit or 32 bit - Autocad mainly
« Reply #21 on: September 24, 2010, 09:41:14 PM »
The only real problem i have had with 64bit on my laptop is the fact that not all object enablers will load properly. This would only pertain to if you had to load object enablers for any other "consultants" vertical type programs. I got autocad to see the enabler, but have not dug into Navisworks to get it to read. I tried to install 32bit Navis, but it won't install on this machine. I got Auotcad 2k7 to install and run in x86 mode...

**shrug**

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other issue is no windows 7 driver for my HP 4mv 11x17 laser that I took to the jobsite =(

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Re: 64 bit or 32 bit - Autocad mainly
« Reply #22 on: September 27, 2010, 10:49:49 AM »
CADWorx may experience difficulties with the Live Database feature under 64 bit (check their forum, its been mentioned a time or three), as it uses Access.

If you are working off a network, that 10K RPM hard drive may be a bit of overkill, unless you are using a Vault-type system to check out drawings to your local drive.

If you go with 64 bit OS, start out with 6 GB of RAM, with an eye towards 12 GB.

I don't think your needs warrant a Xeon.  Look into decent i7s, as I don't think you will see much difference in performance for less cost.

And we have had nothing but good service from Dell.  *shrug* Maybe its a local thing.
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Re: 64 bit or 32 bit - Autocad mainly
« Reply #23 on: September 27, 2010, 11:22:43 AM »
We've never had a problem with Dell.  Now that we're getting a build that's not a 'consumer' computer, and actually getting good parts, I feel we'll have a much better product.  Before now, we've used a bunch of Dimension desktops that are 'home PCs' for the most part, and not made for workstation use, imo.

The 10k RPM came over concerns of swap file read/write speed, iirc.  The max memory on this computer is going to be 12gb iirc.  It's coming in with 4gb, so I'll see how that goes, and it shouldn't be a problem to get another stick or two popped in as time goes on and needs dictate.

The processor was not of my choosing.  The boss's laptop is getting an i7, the Xeon was spec'd out by the IT guru after I gave him the Autocad spec req'ments and had a brief conversation about how Autocad uses the hardware, where bottlenecks can occur, etc.

Overall, I think it's a $1700 desktop, including a 21.5" widescreen monitor... told him not to include the monitor, since we have enough, but the boss said it's fine, and he might take the 21.5" to replace his 17" standard.  I told him I'll gladly take his 17" to augment my current one, since my vid card supports up to 3 monitors  :kewl:

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Re: 64 bit or 32 bit - Autocad mainly
« Reply #24 on: September 27, 2010, 02:59:20 PM »
The 10k RPM came over concerns of swap file read/write speed, iirc.  The max memory on this computer is going to be 12gb iirc.  It's coming in with 4gb, so I'll see how that goes, and it shouldn't be a problem to get another stick or two popped in as time goes on and needs dictate.

If you're worried about swap speed, you're likely better off approaching that by simply sticking 12GB of RAM in there, so that you rarely (if ever) care about swap speed.  RAM is really cheap.

However, I still recommend a fast primary hard drive, because it impacts almost everything you do.

Also, keep in mind that it's better to keep matched sets of RAM.  Since it looks like you're going with a tri-channel chip, you'd ideally want to put in matched sets of 2GB chips, meaning you'd want either 6GB (3x2GB, leaving 3 free slots in most MOBOs for future expansion) or 12GB (6x2GB) of tri-channel RAM.

JCTER

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Re: 64 bit or 32 bit - Autocad mainly
« Reply #25 on: September 27, 2010, 03:09:40 PM »
Gotcha on the RAM matching.  What's the purpose of that?

Also, re: HD speeds: a lot of motivation for going with 10k speed was simply "because" lol.  It just seemed to make sense to up the performance of one of the most oft used parts.  I was given an opportunity to send out requirements to our consultant based on what I thought I needed, so I took the opportunity to add a few bells and whistles based on memory of reading CAD topics and forums like this one.  I may have conflicted myself in spec'ing out 64-bit and also a 10k rpm drive though, as the higher speed is a bandaid for a problem on 32-bit systems.  Oh well.

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Re: 64 bit or 32 bit - Autocad mainly
« Reply #26 on: September 27, 2010, 03:57:08 PM »
I'd go SSD over the 10k drive  :-P

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JCTER

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Re: 64 bit or 32 bit - Autocad mainly
« Reply #27 on: September 27, 2010, 04:10:37 PM »
I'd go SSD over the 10k drive  :-P

I still tried to balance my desires against my company budget  :-D

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Re: 64 bit or 32 bit - Autocad mainly
« Reply #28 on: September 27, 2010, 04:11:41 PM »
I'd go SSD over the 10k drive  :-P

I'd go with a SATA III drive (slightly cheaper than the 10k drive), but given suitable funds I would go with a dual SSD/SATA III set-up.  Fast and quiet for the critical operations and still pretty fast for the data and less-critical programs.
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Re: 64 bit or 32 bit - Autocad mainly
« Reply #29 on: September 27, 2010, 05:17:28 PM »
I'd go SSD over the 10k drive  :-P

I still tried to balance my desires against my company budget  :-D

That 10k drive is probably close to the same price:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820250001

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