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Krushert

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Po-ta-to vs Po-tat-o
« on: April 06, 2010, 02:07:32 PM »
Is the following statement doubling up in calling it an angle?

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CONT. L4x4x.25 STEEL ANGLE
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nivuahc

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« Reply #1 on: April 06, 2010, 02:08:27 PM »
Quote from: Krushert on April 06, 2010, 02:07:32 PM
Is the following statement doubling up in calling it an angle?

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CONT. L4x4x.25 STEEL ANGLE


Is an ATM Machine an Automatic Teller Machine Machine?  :wink:
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Bob Wahr

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« Reply #2 on: April 06, 2010, 03:21:19 PM »
Not only is the word Angle redundant, I think that the word steel is in this case.  IMO, it's safe to assume steel unless called out otherwise.
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Kate M

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Re: Po-ta-to vs Po-tat-o
« Reply #3 on: April 06, 2010, 03:44:23 PM »
Quote from: nivuahc on April 06, 2010, 02:08:27 PM
Quote from: Krushert on April 06, 2010, 02:07:32 PM
Is the following statement doubling up in calling it an angle?

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CONT. L4x4x.25 STEEL ANGLE


Is an ATM Machine an Automatic Teller Machine Machine?  :wink:
Sure, just like your car has ABS brakes.  :-)
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M-dub

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Re: Po-ta-to vs Po-tat-o
« Reply #4 on: April 06, 2010, 03:47:27 PM »
Similar to, but not the same as Tuna Fish.
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Re: Po-ta-to vs Po-tat-o
« Reply #5 on: April 06, 2010, 03:53:15 PM »
Quote from: Bob Wahr on April 06, 2010, 03:21:19 PM
Not only is the word Angle redundant, I think that the word steel is in this case.  IMO, it's safe to assume steel unless called out otherwise.
With this crazy project, we have Steel, Stainless, Galvanized, painted steel, Steel with special trademarked coatings.  So calling out steel in this example is correct; in our crazy thinking anyway.  :|

If it gets any crazier with materials, I going to say I am back in the shipyard.  :cry:
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deegeecees

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Re: Po-ta-to vs Po-tat-o
« Reply #6 on: April 06, 2010, 04:07:02 PM »
L4x4x.25 STEEL

Would be correct in my office.
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Bob Garner

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« Reply #7 on: April 06, 2010, 04:13:26 PM »
AISC Sez:  L4x4x1/4

Tradition says materials should (shall) be identified in the specs, but if you are crazy with lots of materials and it clarifies the contract, go for material callouts on the drawings.  As long as someone will sign and agree to your contract, you're good to go.

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« Reply #8 on: April 06, 2010, 04:40:46 PM »
Quote from: Plankton on April 06, 2010, 04:07:02 PM
L4x4x.25 STEEL

Would be correct in my office.

Steel callouts here are by type...
SS=Stainless Steel
ASTM=mild Steel etc...

So what we have is.....

L4x4x1/4 SS-304L = stainless steel Angle
W10X39 ASTM-A36 = mild steel W-Beam
C10x20 ASTM-A36 = Mild steel Channel

The "L" identifies the structural designation, just like "W" stands for Wide beam or "C" means Channel...no need to repeat that.
Call out standard material types at the end of the structural identifier.....simple!
« Last Edit: April 06, 2010, 04:48:11 PM by t-bear »
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LE3

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Re: Po-ta-to vs Po-tat-o
« Reply #9 on: April 06, 2010, 05:10:44 PM »
do not know if has something to do this here...

normally in the architectural drawings you add an abbreviation or the whole word in the stairs of "UP" or "DN" and also draw an arrow pointing the run direction.

there was a PA in one of the projects jobs I worked and she put a note into the stairs:

STAIR TO GO DOWN
STAIR TO GO UP

those were notes into a 30 stories hotel building   :roll: yeah!

that was the fun part of architorture....
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Bob Garner

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« Reply #10 on: April 06, 2010, 05:22:35 PM »
Or the stair callout: an arrow with the word "heaven"
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LE3

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« Reply #11 on: April 06, 2010, 05:27:26 PM »
Quote from: Bob Garner on April 06, 2010, 05:22:35 PM
Or the stair callout: an arrow with the word "heaven"

He he...
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Re: Po-ta-to vs Po-tat-o
« Reply #12 on: April 06, 2010, 05:34:13 PM »
Quote from: LE3 on April 06, 2010, 05:10:44 PM
do not know if has something to do this here...

normally in the architectural drawings you add an abbreviation or the whole word in the stairs of "UP" or "DN" and also draw an arrow pointing the run direction.

there was a PA in one of the projects jobs I worked and she put a note into the stairs:

STAIR TO GO DOWN
STAIR TO GO UP

those were notes into a 30 stories hotel building   :roll: yeah!

that was the fun part of architorture....
Long story but we had a PITA of job super on a projects that was an almost rubber stamp from job to job.  This was the architects attempt to stop the phone calls.  He failed becuase he forgot spec material.  The job super called with will that be brass, stainless ... ... ...   :-D
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I + XI = X is true ...  ... if you change your perspective.

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LE3

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Re: Po-ta-to vs Po-tat-o
« Reply #13 on: April 06, 2010, 05:39:07 PM »
wow  :-o  :lmao:
 
Quote from: Krushert on April 06, 2010, 05:34:13 PM
Long story but we had a PITA of job super on a projects that was an almost rubber stamp from job to job.  This was the architects attempt to stop the phone calls.  He failed becuase he forgot spec material.  The job super called with will that be brass, stainless ... ... ...   :-D
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deegeecees

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Re: Po-ta-to vs Po-tat-o
« Reply #14 on: April 07, 2010, 10:37:32 AM »
Quote from: t-bear on April 06, 2010, 04:40:46 PM
Quote from: Plankton on April 06, 2010, 04:07:02 PM
L4x4x.25 STEEL

Would be correct in my office.

Steel callouts here are by type...
SS=Stainless Steel
ASTM=mild Steel etc...

So what we have is.....

L4x4x1/4 SS-304L = stainless steel Angle
W10X39 ASTM-A36 = mild steel W-Beam
C10x20 ASTM-A36 = Mild steel Channel

The "L" identifies the structural designation, just like "W" stands for Wide beam or "C" means Channel...no need to repeat that.
Call out standard material types at the end of the structural identifier.....simple!

Ah yes, it's been a while since working with true structural drawings, (Patrick Engineering, Inc.). Here, the only people that see my construction drawings have no clue as to ANSI, ASTM, ISO, or any other standard drawing notation practices. So, I cater to their ignorance. It kind of scares me to think that if I ever have to go to work for someone that knows what they are doing again, I'll be lost.
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