Topic: Export Station and Elevation

[Scott]

MJ

Thanks for the help.  While I have you here, how in the heck do I change the Title Annotation above my profile grid.  I made a spelling mistake and can't figure out how to fix it.  If you haven't guessed, I am completely new to Civil, so thanks for helping out.

Scott

[mjfarrell]

Scott,

Here is a method you can put to work right now today....

Selecect one of your Profiles in the Profile View
Rt Click and select Edit Profile Geometry
when the Profile Toolbar/Ribbon appears, select the Profile Grid View Option.
Customize the View to show Only the information you want in that report (Rt-Click while in the grid view within the Panorama window)
Rt-Click and copy all
Paste into Excel or word doc as desired:


No.   PVI Station   PVI Elevation   Grade In   Grade Out   A (Grade Change)   Profile Curve Type   Sub-Entity Type   Profile Curve Length   K Value   Curve Radius   Asymmetric Length 1   Asymmetric Length 2
      1     0+00.00'   95.398'      0.84%                        
      2     0+37.53'   95.715'   0.84%   -0.10%   0.94%                     
      3     0+55.58'   95.698'   -0.10%   4.06%   4.16%                     
      4     0+95.22'   97.308'   4.06%   2.34%   1.72%                     
      5     1+03.95'   97.512'   2.34%   5.64%   3.29%                     
      6     1+41.34'   99.620'   5.64%   0.00%   5.64%                     
      7     1+42.32'   99.620'   0.00%   8.29%   8.29%                     
      8     1+52.32'   100.449'   8.29%   7.31%   0.98%                     
      9     1+76.55'   102.220'   7.31%   2.96%   4.35%                     
     10     1+87.00'   102.530'   2.96%   0.17%   2.79%                     
     11     1+91.57'   102.537'   0.17%   -2.94%   3.11%                     
     12     2+19.79'   101.709'   -2.94%   -16.83%   13.90%                     
     13     2+22.26'   101.291'   -16.83%   -23.70%   6.87%                     
     14     2+38.87'   97.355'   -23.70%   -15.05%   8.66%                     
     15     2+40.62'   97.092'   -15.05%   -29.85%   14.81%                     
     16     2+40.89'   97.011'   -29.85%   -4.50%   25.36%                     
     17     2+42.59'   96.934'   -4.50%   15.01%   19.51%                     
     18     2+43.39'   97.053'   15.01%   17.20%   2.20%                     
     19     2+46.63'   97.612'   17.20%   0.21%   16.99%                     
     20     3+52.08'   97.836'   0.21%   0.28%   0.07%                     
     21     4+08.16'   97.993'   0.28%   0.20%   0.08%                     
     22     5+09.82'   98.202'   0.20%   0.12%   0.08%                     
     23     6+93.59'   98.422'   0.12%   0.10%   0.02%                     
     24     6+95.62'   98.424'   0.10%   0.18%   0.09%                     
     25     6+97.63'   98.428'   0.18%   0.07%   0.11%                     
     26     7+03.99'   98.433'   0.07%   0.01%   0.06%                     
     27     8+79.13'   98.452'   0.01%   -0.04%   0.05%                     
     28     9+37.39'   98.427'   -0.04%   0.21%   0.25%                     
     29     10+32.41'   98.624'   0.21%   0.66%   0.46%                     
     30     10+39.84'   98.674'   0.66%   -0.65%   1.32%                     
     31     10+48.17'   98.619'   -0.65%   -0.05%   0.61%                     
     32     11+44.36'   98.573'   -0.05%   0.17%   0.22%                     
     33     11+73.92'   98.623'   0.17%   -0.01%   0.18%                     
     34     11+78.93'   98.622'   -0.01%   -0.21%   0.20%                     
     35     11+87.74'   98.603'   -0.21%   0.14%   0.35%                     
     36     13+45.28'   98.822'   0.14%   1.12%   0.98%                     
     37     13+70.29'   99.103'   1.12%   2.83%   1.70%                     
     38     13+82.51'   99.448'   2.83%   0.17%   2.65%                     
     39     14+06.75'   99.490'   0.17%   0.41%   0.24%                     
     40     14+15.96'   99.528'   0.41%   0.63%   0.22%                     
     41     14+19.69'   99.552'   0.63%   -2.44%   3.07%                     
     42     14+22.09'   99.493'   -2.44%   -2.21%   0.23%                     
     43     14+27.59'   99.372'   -2.21%   -2.03%   0.18%                     
     44     14+28.93'   99.344'   -2.03%   -1.13%   0.91%                     
     45     14+95.60'   98.593'   -1.13%   -0.39%   0.73%                     
     46     14+96.05'   98.592'   -0.39%   -0.28%   0.12%                     
     47     16+13.53'   98.266'   -0.28%   -0.10%   0.18%                     
     48     17+41.01'   98.139'   -0.10%   -0.19%   0.09%                     
     49     18+62.34'   97.908'   -0.19%   -0.04%   0.15%                     
     50     19+51.26'   97.873'   -0.04%   -0.57%   0.53%                     
     51     19+87.20'   97.668'   -0.57%   0.11%   0.68%                     
     52     20+09.30'   97.693'   0.11%   -0.17%   0.28%                     
     53     20+86.00'   97.566'   -0.17%   0.07%   0.23%                     
     54     21+08.92'   97.581'   0.07%   -0.02%   0.09%                     
     55     21+51.00'   97.571'   -0.02%   0.50%   0.52%                     
     56     22+12.86'   97.878'   0.50%   -19.30%   19.80%                     
     57     22+13.08'   97.836'   -19.30%   -28.24%   8.94%                     
     58     22+14.97'   97.301'   -28.24%   3.29%   31.53%                     
     59     22+17.59'   97.387'   3.29%   0.92%   2.37%                     
     60     22+34.61'   97.544'   0.92%   10.70%   9.78%                     
     61     22+35.21'   97.608'   10.70%   2.60%   8.10%                     
     62     22+50.95'   98.017'   2.60%   -37.63%   40.23%                     
     63     22+51.04'   97.985'   -37.63%   -0.88%   36.75%                     
     64     22+58.61'   97.918'   -0.88%   -1.01%   0.13%                     
     65     23+20.26'   97.293'   -1.01%   -1.24%   0.22%                     
     66     23+46.30'   96.971'   -1.24%   -0.81%   0.43%                     
     67     24+04.50'   96.498'   -0.81%   0.27%   1.08%                     
     68     24+54.03'   96.631'   0.27%   -0.70%   0.97%                     
     69     24+64.85'   96.554'   -0.70%   0.37%   1.08%                     
     70     24+84.29'   96.627'   0.37%   31.00%   30.63%                     
     71     24+84.66'   96.740'   31.00%   -2.44%   33.45%                     
     72     25+02.81'   96.297'   -2.44%   -13.65%   11.20%                     
     73     25+13.79'   94.800'   -13.65%   -18.01%   4.36%                     
     74     25+22.43'   93.242'   -18.01%   -4.28%   13.73%                     
     75     25+33.54'   92.768'   -4.28%   -7.18%   2.90%                     
     76     25+42.92'   92.094'   -7.18%   -10.21%   3.03%                     
     77     25+43.25'   92.060'   -10.21%   1.38%   11.59%                     
     78     25+50.42'   92.159'   1.38%                           

[mjfarrell]

MJ

Thanks for the help.  While I have you here, how in the heck do I change the Title Annotation above my profile grid.  I made a spelling mistake and can't figure out how to fix it.  If you haven't guessed, I am completely new to Civil, so thanks for helping out.

Scott

You will want to select the profile view, rt click and chose edit profile view style....if you are editing what I think you are...that will let you fix that title annotation error. On the Title Annotation Tab of that dialog.

[Scott]

MJ

Your method for station and elevation export works perfect.  As for the title annotation, I go to edit profile view style/title annotation tab, but I don't see where I can make the corrections.

[Scott]

MJ

I figured it out.  Thanks for all your help.

Scott

[mjfarrell]

First the 'reason' this report function does...is that you created these profiles as STATIC which is not the best practice....however it does have a usefull side effect....
However I suggest that ALL exisitn ground profiles should be created DYNAMIC in all of my classes.

On that Title and Annotation Tab you want to Click on the <A with Pencil> Label Stlye Composer button

Change the Data in the Black Window....be sure to hit apply....and all is good.

[Scott]

MJ

I actually created the existing ground profile as dynamic.  However, I had to change it to static so I could copy it and lower it in the profile view so my pipeline would show up.  Is there a better way of showing the existing ground and pipeline profile?

Thanks for the help.

[reno]

Scott,

You could create a new surface, paste you EG surface into it, and then lower that surface.  This way, if the primary surface changes, both profiles change.  You could also use a corridor.

[mjfarrell]

MJ

I actually created the existing ground profile as dynamic.  However, I had to change it to static so I could copy it and lower it in the profile view so my pipeline would show up.  Is there a better way of showing the existing ground and pipeline profile?

Thanks for the help.

Yes there is another way to show Pipelines in profiles, with great fidelity.
It has a few issues however if you work with it a little it will prove effective.
Process,
Create Feature Line, (you may want to control where vertexes are placed at high/low points or there frequency along the feature line by drawing a polyline first.

When you transform this polyline into a feature line be sure to Assign Elevations to it From the Existing surface (or Proposed) then you will need to decide did you place vertexes at ALL critical locations? If yes then be sure that the toggle to Insert intermediate elevations is OFF.  If you are unsure and or want the pipes to EXACTLY follow the surface toggle this option ON.

Raise or lover the feature line (select Rt Click operation) so that the elevations are the INVERT of your pipes
Explode the feature line ONCE
Then from pipes menu, select Create Pipe network from object, and be sure to toggle on the option to USE Object Vertexes, the pipe network will then be created.

If one turns on the Profile/Station tracking tool it's fairly easy to be sure one is hitting the high and low points along the profile.
This is where it would be create IF autodesk would FIX pipes and allow us to place the /create the network WITHOUT Null structures in the runs.  It DID work this way at one point.

However they can be selected and deleted all at once using a select similar operation.

This may seem harder however the dynamic labels etc that one gets by actually creating the Pipe Network instead of just drafting a line in profile does reap rewards later in terms of drafting and annotation tasks.

[mjfarrell]

Note about the above:

You may be prompted that the polyline has more than a given number of vertexes, that you can either A) click OK too, or B) experiment with WEEDING the featureline prior to Exploding and converting it into a pipe network.

Assign your Existing Pipe style to it and then you can include that pipe in your cross sections using a 'crossing' pipe style and the proper ellipse will be shown...that is IF your setting for FACETDEV is set correctly. 

[sinc]

You might also be interested in seeing what sort of tasks you can perform in C3D with third-party help...

For example, take a look at this video, which shows a dynamic reporting interface in action.  You can dump the results to a CSV, or send them straight to the printer, or copy-and-paste from the grid into Excel.  But the really nice part is the way you can change parameters at the top of the screen, and see an instant update in the grid.  You can even see the elevation of a Surface at each point, as well as the Profile elevation, and the cut/fill between the two elevations.  You can also generate points along the Profile in various ways.

There's a similar command for Cogo Points, as well, that allows Cogo Points to be viewed and manipulated in a wide variety of ways.

[reno]

Raise or lover the feature line (select Rt Click operation) so that the elevations are the INVERT of your pipes

I was under the impression that when you create pipes from objects, it used the elevation of the object for the center of the pipe and not the invert.

[mjfarrell]

Raise or lover the feature line (select Rt Click operation) so that the elevations are the INVERT of your pipes

I was under the impression that when you create pipes from objects, it used the elevation of the object for the center of the pipe and not the invert.

From HELP:

 You can select objects in the current drawing or from an Xref. You can create a pipe network that includes the types of pipes and structures you specify.

This method of creating a pipe network uses the Pipes and Structures insertion method. You cannot use the Pipes Only or Structures Only insertion mode with this command. If you want to create a single pipe, or a single structure using this command, create the pipe network with pipes and structures, and then delete the desired parts.

For 3D entity types, you can select the Use Vertex Elevations option on the Create Pipe Network From Object dialog box. When this option is selected, the elevations of any vertices along the selected entity are used to set the elevations of the pipes created in the network. For 3D entity types, this option determines of the 3D vertex elevations are honored by the pipes created. When checking this option, rules are not applied as they would likely be in conflict with the vertex elevations

From screen shot....this is the option that basically tells C3D, IGNORE the rule set(s) as specified in my part(s) families....

it's a pretty cool cheat, I've been using/teaching since the beginning of PIPES in C3D, for drawing pressure pipe networks, or any time one want to run at a set distance from top surface.
The actual math to invert Cover=(depth of pipe+Pipe dia +wall thickness), if cover is the rule...

[reno]

Yup, I was right, when you create a pipe network from the polylines, it uses the poyline elevation as the center of the pipe, not the invert.  I created a polyline at an elevation of 92.00, created a pipe network out of it, the inverts are 91.5 (12" pipe).

[mjfarrell]

Yup, I was right, when you create a pipe network from the polylines, it uses the poyline elevation as the center of the pipe, not the invert.  I created a polyline at an elevation of 92.00, created a pipe network out of it, the inverts are 91.5 (12" pipe).

The bad news is that you have confirmed that the function is technically 'flawed'.  So with that in mind one adjusts the formula to  get proper depth and have a nice day.

(On some of these issues, I really do try to ignore the problems with the software, otherwise there are those that get upset with me.  So when I leave out a problem that has been around since they FIRST introduced pipes to C3D and STILL haven't fixed it; it's because I want to avoid going off into a RANT!)