Topic: Paperspace base point moved?

[CHulse]

Usually, 0,0 is at the lower left of the layout "white area" in paperspace.
Not now - it's about 3" off in x and y. So the lower left of the paper area is actually at 3.59,2.49.  :ugly:

Does anyone know why this is and how to correct it? Please?
My title comes in in the wrong place...
Somehow it got changed in my template also...

Thanks in advance

[David Hall]

did your plotting offset in options get changed to edge of paper vs. printable area?
do you have a file to upload?

[CHulse]

Not that I am aware of. Even if it had, it shouldn't have moved it 3", right?

I'll post my template...

http://www.theswamp.org/lilly_pond/index.php?dir=CHulse/&file=TCOT-STANDARD%202010.dwt

[mjfarrell]

Not that I am aware of. Even if it had, it shouldn't have moved it 3", right?

I'll post my template...

http://www.theswamp.org/lilly_pond/index.php?dir=CHulse/&file=TCOT-STANDARD%202010.dwt

yes it would...if it was set to use edge of paper...not printable area....from HELP file:

The printable area of a drawing sheet is defined by the selected output device and is represented by the dashed line in a layout. You can change the position of plot relative to the printable area or to the edge of the paper.

The printable area of a drawing sheet is defined by the selected output device and is represented by the dashed line in a layout. When you change to another output device, the printable area may change.

The settings in the Plot Offset area of the Plot dialog box specify an offset of the plot area relative to the lower-left corner (the origin) of the printable area or the edge of the paper, depending on the setting made in the Specify Plot Offset Relative To option (Options dialog box, Plot and Publish tab). The Plot Offset area of the Plot dialog box displays the specified plot offset option in parentheses.

You can offset the drawing on the paper by entering positive or negative values in the X and Y offset boxes. However, this may result in the plot area being clipped. If the Plot Area is not set to Layout (Extents, Display, View, or Window), you can also select the Center the Plot option.

[CHulse]

Sure it would move it, but surely not 3"??

[mjfarrell]

what ever the offset information was...3" 6"....whatever....

the truth is that should one use Inked Area Limits, and have ones Page Setup properly configured there is rarely if EVER any need to add any plot offset, or 'center' plot information.....adesk added the Edge of Paper option back in because too many people were not properly trained, or just could not adapt to using inked area limits for their page setup specifications. (old dog new trick)

I found it quite laughable that they felt a need to add the Edge of Paper option back in at all...

[CHulse]

Having tested this a bit - that moved it about 2 tenths in x and y...


Still no idea where the 3+" is coming from...

[mjfarrell]

could be time to set up a NEW Named Page Setup....using Inked Area...NO offsets....and test again...then throw away whatever BAD one(s) are in your Template...

[CHulse]

what ever the offset information was...3" 6"....whatever....

the truth is that should one use Inked Area Limits, and have ones Page Setup properly configured there is rarely if EVER any need to add any plot offset, or 'center' plot information.....adesk added the Edge of Paper option back in because too many people were not properly trained, or just could not adapt to using inked area limits for their page setup specifications. (old dog new trick)

I found it quite laughable that they felt a need to add the Edge of Paper option back in at all...

Ok, sorry - I see we were talking about 2 different things. In Options, it's set to "Edge of Paper" as it always has been. In the page setup, no offset is applied.

Edge of Paper vs. Printable Area gives about 2 tenths difference. What I cannot acccount for is the additional 3 inches or so...

[mjfarrell]

and what printer/plotter are you using (no access to 2010 today), as I've had some issues with various HP models...

again I say start over with a brand new Named Page Setup

[CHulse]

I've tried various page seups/plotters/pdf drivers and they are all the same.

[David Hall]

well w/o the cutepdf pc3 file, I get pagesetup set to none.  what size are you trying to print to?

[mjfarrell]

I've tried various page seups/plotters/pdf drivers and they are all the same.

yes, however where are they coming from?
Are you making them from scratch?  And are you verifying that within the Page Sizes, that no one has altered the printable area(margins?) of the page sizes in question?

[CHulse]

I made them all from scratch.

It doesn't matter what size - try anything and see what you get. I tried Arch D and Ledger...
It only seems to be this DWT or those based on it. Other files from other templated work fine with the same Page Setup settings.

[mjfarrell]

time to throw that (bad) one away and move on....
any of the files so affected should be *inserted into a new dwg based on a good template

[mjfarrell]

Usually, 0,0 is at the lower left of the layout "white area" in paperspace.
Not now - it's about 3" off in x and y. So the lower left of the paper area is actually at 3.59,2.49.  :ugly:

Does anyone know why this is and how to correct it? Please?
My title comes in in the wrong place...
Somehow it got changed in my template also...

Thanks in advance

Your Title(block) block or DWG comes in in the WRONG place....
are we sure someone has NOT redefined the BASEPOINT (insertion point) of that block on you?
And this has nothing to do with your named page setup or plotting at all?

[CHulse]

time to throw that (bad) one away and move on....
any of the files so affected should be *inserted into a new dwg based on a good template

It may come to that - but it doen't solve the "how did that happen in the first place" question that will haunt me to my grave.

It is not the INSBASE setting in the xref. Did you look at the template? Please do so I don't start thinking I am just loosing it... :loco:

Thanks though to both of you for trying to help.

[mjfarrell]

If I make a brand new Layout, and apply a NAMED page setup to it the paperspace origin is 0,0 Inked area limits..

I suspect this has to do with you cutePDF paper sizes...not having that pdf writer installed I can not test to verify this hypothesis.

Cad Manager TIP:

You will want to do a much better job of Naming the Page Setup; try something like Page Size_CTB_Plotter Name.

Example:  36x24_Color_CutePDF

In this manner once you have all of the various printers, plotters, page sizes defined within your template (yes ALL of them in one template) it will make it much easier for the users to select the proper Named Page Setup for their output needs.

[CHulse]

Ok, thanks for testing. I did try it with other drivers/plotters etc and got the same result, but I didn't try making a clean layout.
I don't think it's the CutePDF driver causing it since it works fine in other drawings.

I do need to add our basic setups to the template - thanks for the tip.  :kewl:

[mjfarrell]

So way back when I suggested you make a new Named Page Setup...you didn't?

Not just your BASIC setups...put ALL of them in there....it makes it so much easier to standardize your plotting, and easier for the users to select the proper one during a Plot or Publish operation.

[CHulse]

So way back when I suggested you make a new Named Page Setup...you didn't?

Not just your BASIC setups...put ALL of them in there....it makes it so much easier to standardize your plotting, and easier for the users to select the proper one during a Plot or Publish operation.

I did make a new clean page setup, just not on a new clean layout...

Our page setups can't really be standardized completely because we need to conform to our clients standards for each project - so our template is fairly generic.

[mjfarrell]

yes however when you do plot them they typically go to the same plotters; no?

[CHulse]

yep, it's the ctb's mainly that change. I do need to add those.