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(C3D '09) Working with multiple Alignments in a large dwg
« on: September 15, 2009, 10:30:11 AM »
I have a large boundary project, approximatley 61,000 feet, it will have several alignments in it when finished. As I add more data (C3D stuff) to the drawing the slower it gets. I'm trying to figure out a way to keep this drawing workable. Can I store these alignments outside the dwg and maybe xref them when needed? Or is there another way to do this? And while we're talking about it, what about Points!
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Re: (C3D '09) Working with multiple Alignments in a large dwg
« Reply #1 on: September 15, 2009, 10:44:06 AM »
sir, your Best Practice will be as follows:
Keep you Points in External Point files, and only import them into 1 file; in this file build your Surface(es), and then offer them up as Data References (Data Shortcuts) to be used and styled as needed in your design, and plan files.  Keeping the points 'out' of the file will offer some nice performance gains. This requires use of Point Files; NOT Point Groups when you build your surface model.  
Also keep in mind that during the DESIGN process one should not be 'setting' any points.  If your designers are still using points to control grading we need to have a session, so that I can increase their accuracy, and productivity and show them how to NOT use points for grading design.

The same is true of your alignments, create and manage them in a single file.  Or use multiple files XREFED together in a logical manner to keep the performance snappy.  Then offer those alignments up as Data References (Data Shortcuts) to be used and styled as needed in your design, and plan files.

Same for Pipe Networks, and Plan Production Groups...almost forgot.
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« Reply #2 on: September 15, 2009, 10:58:38 AM »
Thanks Michael.

The points (3022 at the moment) I have are not for surfaces. There will be no surfaces in this project, it's strictly a boundary survey.

I'll look into 'Data References (Data Shortcuts)'.
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« Reply #3 on: September 15, 2009, 11:04:45 AM »
Thanks Michael.

The points (3022 at the moment) I have are not for surfaces. There will be no surfaces in this project, it's strictly a boundary survey.

I'll look into 'Data References (Data Shortcuts)'.

a boundary....why then do you have any alignments?
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« Reply #4 on: September 15, 2009, 11:16:07 AM »
Thanks Michael.

The points (3022 at the moment) I have are not for surfaces. There will be no surfaces in this project, it's strictly a boundary survey.

I'll look into 'Data References (Data Shortcuts)'.

a boundary....why then do you have any alignments?
The boundary involves rights-of-ways, several of them in fact.
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« Reply #5 on: September 15, 2009, 11:17:35 AM »
The same is true of your alignments, create and manage them in a single file.  Or use multiple files XREFED together in a logical manner to keep the performance snappy.  Then offer those alignments up as Data References (Data Shortcuts) to be used and styled as needed in your design, and plan files.

So far so good. I've got my alignments, just two at the moment, in separate files and have them as shortcuts.
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« Reply #6 on: September 15, 2009, 11:31:16 AM »
Thanks Michael.

The points (3022 at the moment) I have are not for surfaces. There will be no surfaces in this project, it's strictly a boundary survey.

I'll look into 'Data References (Data Shortcuts)'.

a boundary....why then do you have any alignments?
The boundary involves rights-of-ways, several of them in fact.

And you are now minutes from dealing with my second largest complaint about Alignments, and the ROW creation tool.  It will not allow one to create asymmetrical ROW's, i.e. 30' Left, and 45' Right of the Monument lines.  We all know this can and does happen in the real world, however not in the land of C3D.

And you have those various alignment files Xreferenced into each other to make the whole picture?
I was going to suggest you group them, with all of the External alignments in one file.  And then the internal ones in another.  This will probably be the best balance for performance.
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« Reply #7 on: September 15, 2009, 11:54:47 AM »
Having reconsidered what you are doing, you most likely want to have a slightly different file structure ...

in your BOUNDARY file you should have the points inserted into your survey network.

Then XREF this file into your alignment files....

unless you are NOT using any of the survey adjustment tools inside C3D.
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Re: (C3D '09) Working with multiple Alignments in a large dwg
« Reply #8 on: September 15, 2009, 02:09:28 PM »
unless you are NOT using any of the survey adjustment tools inside C3D.
We don't use any of the adjustment tools here.
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« Reply #9 on: September 15, 2009, 02:20:13 PM »
OK, carry on as before then...

Have you taken the time to expound on the need or desire to work in this fashion with your autodesk vendor?
Or posted similar discussion at the ADSKNG?
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« Reply #10 on: September 15, 2009, 02:32:47 PM »
sir, your Best Practice will be as follows:
Keep you Points in External Point files, and only import them into 1 file;
Can you give me a hint here? I'm not getting any love from the documentation.
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« Reply #11 on: September 15, 2009, 02:34:21 PM »
Have you taken the time to expound on the need or desire to work in this fashion with your autodesk vendor?
I have never contacted our vendor. *shrug*

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Or posted similar discussion at the ADSKNG?
I don't post on the adesk groups anymore, should I?
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Re: (C3D '09) Working with multiple Alignments in a large dwg
« Reply #12 on: September 15, 2009, 03:37:35 PM »
sir, your Best Practice will be as follows:
Keep you Points in External Point files, and only import them into 1 file;
Can you give me a hint here? I'm not getting any love from the documentation.


well as you are NOT going to be building a surface from these points, they will want to simply live in their own DWG....however you can or might still want to leave them in a(n) External Point Database.

Use the Points>>Create Points>>Import Points>>External Point Database
to get them into your file that needs to display them.

Or you could create a(n) TXT file renamed as FBK, and import them as a survey database event, then the points will be available by activating the correct database, and inserting the points to file as needed.

You are exposing; the biggest weakness of C3D, No Project Functionality with points; even IF one utilizes the most highly touted VAULT.
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Re: (C3D '09) Working with multiple Alignments in a large dwg
« Reply #13 on: September 15, 2009, 03:43:26 PM »
sir, your Best Practice will be as follows:
Keep you Points in External Point files, and only import them into 1 file;
Can you give me a hint here? I'm not getting any love from the documentation.


well as you are NOT going to be building a surface from these points, they will want to simply live in their own DWG....however you can or might still want to leave them in a(n) External Point Database.

Use the Points>>Create Points>>Import Points>>External Point Database
to get them into your file that needs to display them.

Or you could create a(n) TXT file renamed as FBK, and import them as a survey database event, then the points will be available by activating the correct database, and inserting the points to file as needed.

You are exposing; the biggest weakness of C3D, No Project Functionality with points; even IF one utilizes the most highly touted VAULT.
What about creating new points?

I guess I could slug-along as is for now but once all the points are created I could move the points else where.

thanks again Michael
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Re: (C3D '09) Working with multiple Alignments in a large dwg
« Reply #14 on: September 15, 2009, 03:48:10 PM »
I would suggest ALL surveyed points and all Calculated points all be in a single file at the end of the job, I typically name this file LEGAL, or SURVEY.  It would later be XREFed into a TOPO file, these are later XREFed into all design and sheet files.
So this holds for your Calculated points as well.  Here is where you will use numbers and or descriptions to help group the points discreetly.
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